12yr old non-binary girl wants to stop periods, group admin suggests a hystorectomy

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From Colin Wright@swipe wright on twitter

From the Facebook group "Parents of Trans/Non-Binary Kids" with over 9K members.

Parent posts that her "nonbinary" or "gender fluid" 12yo female child wants to stop her period (you don't say!).

Group Admin replies and suggests, among other things, a HYSTERECTOMY.

The other pathways of blockers and testosterone also seem very extreme for a 12 year old girl who is 'non-binary'.

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@jay55

It plays in to the shopping list for treatment that we've seen in the Webberley tribunal.

Why is it always surgery and blockers rather than the pill without a break week?

Why is most harm the first option with these people?

Did you click the link?

I wouldn't even say the pill is particularly desirable in a child so young. It has side effects to consider.

It has its purpose yes. I.sure many teens take it without issue because the benefits of taking it outweigh the risk.factors.

But presumably the risk.factors in those women and girls do not include denying the reality of their sex which is not something resolved by a pill or implant of any kind its reality and needs to be faced. Not avoided.

The admin helpfully notes that birth control pills are 'easier to access for AFAB people' ... Tough luck for all those 'AMABs' trying to stop their periods then.

Insanity.

Nobody is going to do this to a child. They wouldn’t be able to get the insurance. It’s hard enough to do as an adult woman.

@MattDamon

If someone had told me at 13 that I could have a surgery to get rid of periods forever, I would done it in an instant. I would have lied and said I understood the long term consequences even though I wouldn't have.

Same.

When I was 34 my situation was as follows:-

1. Two healthy children (one of each sex)
2. Married to same man for over 10 years
3. Both births had involved haemorrhages - at least one of which had risked my life
4. Unwilling to terminate any accidental pregnancy due to long term beliefs
5. Both myself and Dh clear that we did not want more children

When discussing contraception with the nurse I vaguely asked about sterilisation as a possible option. She was very clear that it would be totally inappropriate as I was still very young / I might change my mind about a third child (my youngest was still pretty young) / me and Dh might split up and I meet someone else.

With hindsight (and despite the fact that I haven’t ever wanted more kids) she was absolutely right! I wasn’t at a point when I could make a decision about sterilisation and I could easily have regretted it,

But - I was still far more equipped to make the decision than a twelve year old is!

So women can have penises but NB females or trans boys can't have periods ?

This is the thing - it's being female which is so, so appalling to these people.

Why doesn't the mother just put her daughter on the contraceptive pill?

Why would a 12 yr old go on the pill. Why would a distressed 12 year old be given medication where weight gain ( so bigger breasts potentially) amd low mood/depression and breakthrough bleeding are side effects?

How would that help?

Just a suggestion about the "usual" way of suppressing or stopping menstruation. But clearly a hysterectomy is a better answer >/sarcasm font off

Why are we no longer talking about FGM?

Why would stopping menstruation in a healthy child at an average age for onset of menstruation without complications such as endo etc be a desirable approach?

What would stopping periods now achieve that presumably 12 years if growing up in a household where hopefully they were explained to/ told periods were normal etc didn't ?

How about seeking psychological.help as opposed to medical ?

My daughter is 16 and has anorexia and has not had a period for a long time. Her team are all working towards the holy grail of her restarting her periods as that is a huge indicator of health.
I wonder if their response would be different if she identified as NB or a boy?

c4

Yes this blaze way of talking like it's all just optional when in fact all.of it is am indicator of a child's health and not something that should so casually be.mucked about with unless medically indicated . So sorry about your dd.

@Lacedwithgrace

It's impossible to be a non-binary girl

'Non-binary' seems to mean 'neither male nor female'. If we take 'non-binary' in this sense, it is impossible to be a non-binary human.

Every human child is either a boy or a girl; every human adult is either a man or a woman. This is not at all in question. To think you can make sense of denying it is to play the fool. (A fashionable game in some quarters, it seems.)

Have none of her 'friends' just suggested she go on the pill and not take the week break? That'll stop her periods with an entirely reversible effect once she decided to grow up.

@Qwill

Nobody is going to do this to a child. They wouldn’t be able to get the insurance. It’s hard enough to do as an adult woman.

Do you believe that? Young teenage girls are having double mastectomies. It isn't that much of a leap. Graham Linehan has printed some pretty horrific information on his substack this week.

@Whatwouldscullydo

I wouldn't even say the pill is particularly desirable in a child so young. It has side effects to consider.

It has its purpose yes. I.sure many teens take it without issue because the benefits of taking it outweigh the risk.factors.

But presumably the risk.factors in those women and girls do not include denying the reality of their sex which is not something resolved by a pill or implant of any kind its reality and needs to be faced. Not avoided.

Absolutely. It's not desirable. BUT it's a whole lot better than having your breasts off and your womb removed. Which is almost de rigueur nowadays.

What would be better is recognising it for the mental issue it is. It may well not he prescribed fir someone who a) doesn't acknowledge reality, and b) who is already depressed/ distressed.

If the pill leads to issues that mean it needs to he stopped the problems will all still be there. And they need dealing with. The pill nay well just send the message that the body is the problem and all these alterations need to take place.

@ExMachinaDeus

So women can have penises but NB females or trans boys can't have periods ?

This is the thing - it's being female which is so, so appalling to these people.

Why doesn't the mother just put her daughter on the contraceptive pill?

You know, misogyny is a shared aspect of the transgender women and transgender men. The former hate the female body because they don't have one, and the latter hate it because the do have one. Many non-binary identifiers who are female also hate that body and don't want it to have a name at all (so now we are bleeders and vulva people), though they do want the gains from feminism.

None of those groups want 'women and girls' to have any biological meaning, because having that body is so disgusting.

In my books that is misogyny and nothing else, and when we are told to be inclusive,we are told to participate in misogyny and be silent about it.

I always thought that feminism was about freeing women and girls from all the crappy sex roles, sexist stereotypes, sexual objectification and so on. But now the new solution is to let all those stand and even reinforce them while offering a medical out for a small handful of "assigned female (by a TERF committee) at birth."

Well that is that generation completely screwed before they even hit their twenties...

I hated periods at 12 but does not mean I wanted major surgery to stop them. What happened to young teens taking the time and space to get used to their changing bodies instead of being made to feel ashamed of them and 'cancelling' them. How does a child of 12 really know what they want..

At 12 who wouldn't want to stop periods.?
I can remember at around that age wishing that you could take pill and not have to be a girl. .
Now I wonder why so many girls are suddenly trans/ non binary etc ???

Btw I grew out of that, I am very much a very normal female in the dress wearing got married ( to a man) and had babies type. ( the boring average type)
It was a phase because basically puberty is crappy.
Why are we even entertaining these thoughts?
I mother just gave me sympathy and a bar of chocolate when I voiced my thoughts on periods. What if she had booked me in for a hysterectomy . I would have gone for that option at that age btw!

This is why the argument to ban 'conversion therapy' is absolutely insane. Trans activist and allies would prefer a 12 year old is allowed to have a hysterectomy than receive psychological help from an experienced psychotherapist who would appropriately help them think through these feelings and hopefully feel much more at ease in their developing body.

I asked my mum if I could have a hysterectomy when I was about 13 due to hating having very painful periods and not wanting to be a girl. She gave me some painkillers, a hot water bottle and a hug and told me it would get better and that no doctor in the land would agree to it. She was right. Now I fear it would be so different. We' seem to be encouraging young dysphoric girls to hate their body rather than help them manage the reality of it.