I do really rate Emma Barnett and have great respect for her, but sometimes I feel she just misses the bullseye in an interview.
This one had the potential cover some really interesting ground and drill down on key points to provide clarification to listeners (and voters) who are still not quite sure about the issues, but it was like she chose to apply the laser in the wrong places. A lot of wheel spinning but no forward motion. Why? It didn't seem like the points she was pressing on were the ones that mattered? RD has made it clear she doesn't support Labour's official line on this, so why grill her on Labour's official line? It felt a bit directionless, like EB didn't really know what she was trying to get at (and neither did RD!)