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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lorna Slater says those who oppose gender reform like racists or climate change deniers.

62 replies

MiladyBerserko · 11/04/2022 06:45

Fucking mental. That's all

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4fa452b0-b91b-11ec-94e5-2197dead5942?shareToken=f4a408e524a7c1893096db25b6967f0a

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SallyLockheart · 13/04/2022 07:51

It’s back to free speech, isn’t it. Who defines what is bigoted speech? Censorship of unwanted views just because they don’t agree to a set narrative.

Dinosauria · 13/04/2022 07:59

Women are concerned not about trans people (who really are a small minority) but about the potential for abuse of the rules by predatory men. We know this will happen because it has already happened and keeps happening.

This from the times article isn't said enough imo.

Whereareyourshoes · 13/04/2022 09:16

@334bu

Some wild, unfounded accusations being thrown around by IW. So much for respectful debate.

Thanks for sharing the clip. Shereen Benjamin comes across so calmly in the face of the rant from IW.
Lovelyricepudding · 13/04/2022 09:30

@SallyLockheart

It’s back to free speech, isn’t it. Who defines what is bigoted speech? Censorship of unwanted views just because they don’t agree to a set narrative.
Bigoted speech is that which is intolerant of others view....so that which seeks to censor people with alternative views or call anyone with alternative views names in order to prevent them being heard.
Whereareyourshoes · 13/04/2022 10:24

Interesting to hear Lorna Slater state she welcomes debate and questions around GRA.

Rereading Andy Wightman’s experiences which led to him leaving the Scottish Green Party:

www.andywightman.com/archives/4634

The Scottish Green Party have been so intolerant of any discussion around these issues for a long time so more debate and more sunlight is most welcome.

SpinningMeSoftly · 13/04/2022 10:46

@5zeds

The assumption that everyone who is gc is just a meanie who doesn’t know any of the “nice trans people” is ludicrous. I grow so tired of people assuming you must be ignorant just because you hold a different view to them.
Oh god yes to this. See for example Gaby Hinsliff's article in today's Guardian.

Does she seriously think that those who responded to the 'LBGT conversion' consultation and requested greater care and diligence around the 'TQ+' could not possibly be experts in safeguarding, child development, child psychology or endocrinology? Because many of us were and are. She just thinks we're dim and ignorant by the sound of it.

Yet the real knowledge gaps clearly lie with a number of Guardian journalists, grifting away. What are their qualifications?

LittleWhingingWoman · 14/04/2022 09:09

Slater is backed by her Greens co-leader Patrick Harvie in trans row

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/36dd0e6a-baac-11ec-94e5-2197dead5942?shareToken=db20a10a49d66d9401044e981c1ae483

334bu · 14/04/2022 09:38

Interesting column in the Herald today, from the journalist Mark Smith who interviewed Lorna Slater last week. Unfortunately behind a payroll but airport mode might work.

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20065043.mark-smith-got-wrong-trans-rights/

Mark Smith has always seemed to me to be a TRA who ignores all women's protests but just maybe things are changing. Maybe he will realise that the opposition to the GRA changes has never been about trans people but about the opportunities it will give predatory men to continue to abuse women.

DomesticatedZombie · 14/04/2022 15:29

Found the Mark Smith piece on archive.org.

'The conversation I had with the campaigner against the government’s reforms was also really interesting. It wasn’t easy – we talked for over two hours about some difficult subjects – but it was respectful and calm and the way she explained her views, based on her experiences, as well as some of the reaction she’d received, made me think that in the past I have dismissed people with her opinions a little too angrily and a little too quickly.'

Hm. It's a start. I don't know who Mark Smith is, but it sounds like a glimmer of realisation has been planted. He has acknowledged that women are capable of thought and entitled to speech.

Whether that will translate to actually properly listening and understanding women's viewpoints is another matter - a lifetime of male socialisation makes it hard, I think, to understand a lifetime of female socialisation.

Igneococcus · 14/04/2022 19:37

Patrick Harvey says SNP ‘let members get away with promoting transphobia’ but he doesn't actually say who he thinks is transphobic:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/945b39a8-bc06-11ec-94e5-2197dead5942?shareToken=62d285df19f40b102cb15db02ff36def

Silversilverstreet · 14/04/2022 21:28

@Dinosauria

Women are concerned not about trans people (who really are a small minority) but about the potential for abuse of the rules by predatory men. We know this will happen because it has already happened and keeps happening.

This from the times article isn't said enough imo.

I completely agree. I wish I could embroider it on a sampler or something. I’d post photos of it on so many discussions.

Too many words for a badge.

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