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Mail on Bath Theatre Family Sex Show for 5+ age
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Abitofalark · 09/04/2022 02:32

The DM article quotes from a thread on mumsnet in AIBU www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4524406-Deeply-concerned-about-Child-Safety-in-Bristol?messages=100&pg=1

The Mail explains:
"A theatre company has sparked fury by staging a show featuring naked bodies that explores 'love, sexuality and sexual pleasure' aimed at children as young as five. ..
The website describes it as 'a fun and silly performance about the painfully awkward subject of sex, exploring names and functions, boundaries, consent, pleasure, queerness, sex, gender and relationships.
It goes on: 'Using real life bodies, personal stories, songs and movement, The Family Sex Show puts the good stuff at the forefront of conversation and imagines a future where there is no shame; but a celebration of difference, equality and liberation.' "

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10700795/Fury-theatre-company-stages-naked-exploring-sexuality-sexual-pleasure-queerness.html

It is claimed to be based on the school curriculum but according to a AIBU poster, it includes gender identity indoctrination, along with the stuff about sexual pleasure, nudity, etc:

"I would challenge PPs to show where pegging comes in the RSE curriculum for 5 year olds.
Or ‘TERF’, which is helpfully included in the glossary, just in case we were in any doubt about this group’s intentions.
They can just FOTHFSOFAFOSM with their queering and cissing. If any public money is going into this, it’s a fucking outrage when huge numbers of children are arriving at school hungry."

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Artichokeleaves · 03/05/2022 22:07

they had received "violent and illegal threats" from "a small group of people with extremist views".

Receipts or it didn't happen.

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IcakethereforeIam · 03/05/2022 22:21

I can believe they got threats from a small group of people (because twitter) and lots and lots of people objected, it's all about how they word it. The martyrdom doesn't sit so well if they have to admit that tens of thousands of reasonable people objected to this show.

Yes, the BBC edit, soddin' truth still getting it's shoes on.

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MrsJamin · 04/05/2022 06:22

I just can't believe this is being allowed to go ahead by the police as parents consent for their children to be there. Parents are always in the right, then, police? This is taken from twitter.com/SoniaPoulton/status/1521494727270576136?t=8yrcTOxctKhXVnQKrMLvIA&s=19

Mail on Bath Theatre Family Sex Show for 5+ age
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SolasAnla · 04/05/2022 08:45

MrsJamin · 04/05/2022 06:22

I just can't believe this is being allowed to go ahead by the police as parents consent for their children to be there. Parents are always in the right, then, police? This is taken from twitter.com/SoniaPoulton/status/1521494727270576136?t=8yrcTOxctKhXVnQKrMLvIA&s=19

Why the surprise "someone" in the arts went along said it was fine. Appaerntly there were silly songs and no children on stage so can other venues host it.
Questions about the if the silly song was about masturbating or if the crew got as naked as they were comfortable with were ignored.

Safeguarding responsibility was satisfied by not having any children on stage as participants.

A 5 year old sing-along about a wap is fine.
And this was someone with management responsbilty, aka signing off on safeguarding policy and oversight on enforcement, for organisations which actively involve children.

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Mysterioso · 04/05/2022 10:58

Then I put this side by side with the story of the 10 year old Nigerian girl who had sex on a school trip, and the questions on why her knowledge of sex was not age appropriate.
I can see how it is easy to dissociate the theory of children finding sexual pleasure to the reality of what sexual abuse of children looks like. adults showing children pleasure spots is not right. Especially if naked.

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Birdsweepsin · 04/05/2022 11:11

BobTheTerf · 03/05/2022 20:40

Hi, it might interest you to know that the BBC has made a significant edit to it's article today:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-61149449

Correction - 3 May 2022: This article has been amended to remove references to how the show was made in consultation with safeguarding specialists after new information came to light.

What do you think about that?

"New Information came to light"

Bit odd of the BBC to be so vague.

Did the theatre company lie about working with safeguarding specialists at all?

Or did they get people in but their expertise wasn't any good?

Or did the safeguarding people wave big red flags that This Egg ignored?

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Artichokeleaves · 04/05/2022 11:45

"someone" in the arts went along said it was fine.

Yeah.

And what is their safeguarding training exactly?
What is their qualification in child development, education and psychology?

This is fucking around with young children and potentially unsafe materials, with potentially serious outcomes. That someone's aunt's friend's hamster's boyfriend said it was all right is irrelevant.

It is not appropriate to use children in a personal pursuit of having lovely, edgy, ground breaking new theatre experiences, joyfully enjoying queering boundaries and all the lovely feelz and wanky vocabulary to throw around while feeling oh so progressive and groundbreaking. Fur coat and no bloody knickers as my grandmother would have said. Either know exactly what you're doing - and respond to safeguarding concerns like bloody grown ups with a sense of responsibility - or leave children the fuck alone. It's not difficult.

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theemperorhasnoclothes · 04/05/2022 13:51

Ah I see Savile's BBC is alive and well with that amendment.

So there were no safeguarding experts consulted then? And the article lied about saying they were consulted?

Honestly, what's the point of all the money and time spent on safeguarding if this is allowed to go ahead.

It directly contradicts what all the safeguarding training courses I've done say is ok.

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Thelnebriati · 04/05/2022 15:06

I've said this before, but who oversees the NSPCC? They should be all over this.

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 04/05/2022 17:13

Thelnebriati · 04/05/2022 15:06

I've said this before, but who oversees the NSPCC? They should be all over this.

I'd love to be proved wrong but I don't think the NSPCC have the guts to do anything about this. If they're too scared to handle safeguarding questions on a Mumsnet webchat they're not going to take this on.

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Artichokeleaves · 04/05/2022 18:16

NSPCC are thoroughly captured and have subordinated the best interests of children to the political hobbyhorses of the staff. And they know it. They ran like rabbits from facing mothers on MN knowing they couldn't defend their decisions.

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theDudesmummy · 04/05/2022 23:05

I still can't belive the NSPCC non response to me after I reported clear sexual grooming to them Astounding.

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YesSheCan · 04/05/2022 23:59

The School Of Sexuality Education, one of whose members is co-producer of The Family Sex Show and who go into secondary schools delivering Relationships and Sexuality Education, claim to be 'trauma-informed' and work closely with Professor Jessica Ringrose at UCL whose NSPCC-funded research into sexting in schools has had a lot of influence. (Even though the research is, imho, bobbins). So it is possible that ThisEgg regards The School of Sexuality Education as safeguarding experts. Even though none of them seem to have any background in child safeguarding.

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SolasAnla · 05/05/2022 10:48

Birdsweepsin · 04/05/2022 11:11

"New Information came to light"

Bit odd of the BBC to be so vague.

Did the theatre company lie about working with safeguarding specialists at all?

Or did they get people in but their expertise wasn't any good?

Or did the safeguarding people wave big red flags that This Egg ignored?

It depends on how the original report was worded either the NSPCC issued a takedown statement saying they were not involved or the School Of Sexuality Education did?

The wording around the NSPCC on the website suggested that there had been signoff, which would not have happened.
Or they


Per the newspapers, the link between the School Of Sexuality Education and the theater group was a common staff member.



Even this is a stupid take. Art and performing art is "context".

The show also explored topics such as non-sexual nudity and gender and was aimed at children as young as five.

You cant argue that a actor spends 60 minutes tackling sexed bodies, sexual relationships etc. and then say that getting naked has no sexual context.

The actor may not create a sexual performance around the process of undressing but the context is that these are the bodies with the various organs used / involved in various sex acts.

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YesSheCan · 05/05/2022 12:13

Artichokeleaves · 04/05/2022 18:16

NSPCC are thoroughly captured and have subordinated the best interests of children to the political hobbyhorses of the staff. And they know it. They ran like rabbits from facing mothers on MN knowing they couldn't defend their decisions.

It would seem so. Been looking into NSPCC's research collaborations with people associated with School of Sexuality Education. NSPCC have introduced the results of this research (done by queer theorist posthumanist academics who are more focused on imposing their ideology on to schoolchildren and teaching them to be juvenile social justice activists than they are on delivering age-appropriate, safeguarding-informed RSE) into their guidance for RSE in schools (like the NSPCC-recommended Agenda and primary Agenda packages, developed by Prof EJ Renold from Cardiff uni for Welsh schools. Prof Renold is long-time co-researcher with Prof Ringrose. They both work with School of Sex Ed at UCL to train PGCE student teachers in RSE. They are also part of a network called Phematerialisms that appears to be about queering education and all the boundary-disrupting stuff that goes along with that. NSPCC Learning is just about to start a new research project with Prof Renold, Prof Ringrose and School of Sex Ed into how young people learn about relationships and sexuality.

The association with the NSPCC and NSPCC's endorsement of their research gives School of Sexuality Education a lot of credibility and trust points. That's why they are getting into schools. I'm not saying they have bad intentions but their idealism seems to have severely skewed their judgement. Maybe the NSPCC was unaware of some of their members' involvement with The Family Sex Show but they will be very much aware of School of Sex Ed's involvement in NSPCC-backed research. Hopefully there are people within NSPCC who have concerns that backing ideology-fuelled RSE in schools delivered by people who think it's ok for adults to strip and sing about masturbation in front of kids and get kids to google search terms that could bring up bestiality images is not compatible with safeguarding. Hopefully they will speak up.

Or yeah, in short, what @Artichokeleaves said

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Artichokeleaves · 05/05/2022 18:24

I honestly wonder if there's a belief in this theatre company that trauma informed (what training? Who did it? To what qualification? To what practical policy in place?) is the same thing as 'safeguarding' in the same way that the LibDem inquiry found that Aimee Challenor believed that safeguarding was just data protection.

This is what happens when you let the woefully ill informed and unqualified but extremely high on their own personal politics loose without due diligence and boundaries. Regulation of anyone providing services for children needs to be introduced and to be strict, now any idiot with a desire to can produce something shiny with a lot of unsubstantiated claims and a passion without the faintest qualification to know wtf they're doing.

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DrBlackbird · 06/05/2022 08:04

The internet has done an astoundingly effective job at teaching all the teens I know to be juvenile social justice activists but sadly with little critical thinking evident. It’s all so black and white. No nuance. And it makes them so so vulnerable to exploitation. All anyone has to do is present themselves as a social justice warrior and they will be accepted at face value.

On a slightly different note, within my social and work circles (v different groups with little overlap) I know of at least 10 families with children identifying into a different ’gender’. Statistically how is that possible? The outcomes vary from ranging from wearing ‘male’ clothes to a 18yr paying for an elective double mastectomy and starting hormones. Tragically all of them young girls. This current phase of misogyny is utterly ruthless and insidious and frightening in how many supposed intelligent adults collaborate to encourage young women to hate their bodies.

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MrsJamin · 08/05/2022 21:19

Have the shows happened yet?

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Birdsweepsin · 08/05/2022 22:14

Nothing on ThisEggs twitter other than a link to the Lyn Gardner write-up in the stage and a frankly ludicrous piece about how it was all destroyed by global hard-right-wing Christian Conservatives. Not ordinary people with valid concerns, oh no.

www.vice.com/en/article/dypbew/family-sex-show-citizengo if you can stomach it

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dropthevipers · 08/05/2022 22:29

tabbycatstripy · 09/04/2022 07:08

Theatre company!

You were right the first time

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Musomama1 · 09/05/2022 10:00

Birdsweepsin · 08/05/2022 22:14

Nothing on ThisEggs twitter other than a link to the Lyn Gardner write-up in the stage and a frankly ludicrous piece about how it was all destroyed by global hard-right-wing Christian Conservatives. Not ordinary people with valid concerns, oh no.

www.vice.com/en/article/dypbew/family-sex-show-citizengo if you can stomach it

Seemed to be an assassination on CitizenGo. But 40,000 hard right signatories? Really? Right wing Twitter accounts. These are all lies.

This was first reported on Mumsnet and picked up by national papers, hardly the far right. Just ordinary people and perhaps shock horror people who are actually raising children and have an opinion.

It also seems the safeguarding was questionable according to amendment to the BBC article.

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MrsJamin · 09/05/2022 21:10

It's so sinister how it has gone quiet on all media but apparently the shows were still to go ahead to an invited audience.

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Birdsweepsin · 10/05/2022 06:57

Either they went ahead and the invited audience are so shocked they have all fainted, or it hasn't happened yet.

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IcakethereforeIam · 10/05/2022 10:32

I have a bad feeling about this!

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Musomama1 · 10/05/2022 10:40

I wonder if it's happened and the audience (of friends/family) likely cringed through the whole bizarre thing, forced a fake 'that was great!' before slipping silently off home.

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