Drag queen story time in Haringey Libraries

[NoXWithoutRespect]

Why are adult men being invited into Haringey libraries, this weekend, to read to young children ? How is a man dressed in a lurid, grotesque parody of a woman, a role model ? For what ? It can’t be inclusiveness, Drag-queens, like strippers and pornstars do not need protecting.

Young children should not be influenced into believing that sex and gender are interchangeable, this promotes harmful sexist tropes. They do not need to be confused by incomprehensible and nonsensical practices for the amusement of adults.

Sometimes I wonder if we made the right decision moving back to Ireland when the kids were little. It wasn't all honey , especially at first. But then I read something like the above and feel vindicated .

I've just opened this thread after reading the Jimmy Savile one.

We have learned nothing, have we?

Abhannmor I’ve done the opposite and not moved to Ireland because there are no single sex protections in place anymore. All I hear from family and friends is how terrified people are about speaking out. Interested to hear if you think things are better than what I’ve heard. The thing is that we here in England can protest events like the one above with a lesser prospect of being attacked for being anti woke.

For example the ARC (abortion rights campaign) in Ireland actively targets people/publications who raise concerns about gender ideology.
Here’s an example:
mobile.twitter.com/freesafelegal/status/1509472857239269387

Yep quick google brings up DQSH events in Dublin coming soon. I know one was canceled a few years ago at a library on the south side (Glitter Hole was going to perform for kids!). Not sure if the libraries learned from that or just not back fully running due to covid. Also makes appearances on the kids entertainment at festivals.

I just don’t understand how the library depts booking these things don’t see how bizarre it is.

They must know that they wouldn’t allow a scantily clad woman to do the story time.

I read about at least one DQSH where children were apparently encouraged to climb ON the DQ. Wouldn’t have been allowed if it was a man in jeans and a t-shirt but because it’s a man in a tiny dress it’s ok

Grim as .
Who takes their child to these things ?All about breaking down those boundaries.

I don't agree with Drag Queen Story Time (I think it was invented so that second-rate drag queens could find some way to make money).

But I think the original post could've been worded better. It starts with "why are adult men reading books to children", there's nothing wrong with adult men reading books to children, especially in supervised environments.

Also lets be careful with the lurid parody of women description, otherwise you wouldn't want to take your children to the panto in case they see a pantomime dame.

I'm more concerned about the message they are trying to promote, which seems to be about "teaching" children about all of these fantastical genders and sexualities. The drag queens are also taking their more X-rated parts of their act into libraries too under the guise of equality. It's not age appropriate.

There have been several threads on here recently. I agree it is awful.

I don't like this either. DQ culture is in the mainstream, but it's always been a slightly risque, niche adult thing and understood within an adult gaze.

It's not appropriate for children who will only see this as promotion of gender stereotyping in it's crudest form and recruitment to the rainbow gender bus.

Sometimes I feel this stuff is like the fucking Pied Piper isn't it?

They had the same in Surrey libraries during LGBT month.

For toddler story time. Obviously I didn't take my child, it's fucking ridiculous

@NoXWithoutRespect

For toddler story time. Obviously I didn't take my child, it's fucking ridiculous

It is more than ridiculous, it’s sick really.

This is well worth seeing about Drag Queen Storytime

I think it is called Grooming in Plain Sight:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=iuMic0cVw4Y

There's even a drag queen speaking out about this.

They are adult entertainers. Their Web sites reflect this. One quick Google and the kids are exposed to what they realky do of an evening. ( which as much as I hate drag is their right amongst consenting adults who pay to come see them perform)

If a teacher or TA was to have a website full.of adults in bandage or calling themselves flow job/a'whora or whatever they'd never get an.interview let alone be allowed near children.

I will say not all drag Queens are grotesque and they will dress to reflect audience. Its just a case of dressing to feel good about themselves. Most of us do it they just chose to dress up as a women

Who says they will influenced seeing it. You don't know that. What would happen if a clown read the story. They have a painted face and make themselves to be different from what they are. Will you boycott that to?

Adult entertainers should not be reading stories to children, end of. Drag Queens are not the same as Christmas pantomime dames. And they are not a marginalised group who need acceptance.

This is all about dismantling safeguarding and removing barriers. I hate this BS.

&Idiotintraining

I will say not all drag Queens are grotesque and they will dress to reflect audience. Its just a case of dressing to feel good about themselves. Most of us do it they just chose to dress up as a women

Who says they will influenced seeing it. You don't know that. What would happen if a clown read the story. They have a painted face and make themselves to be different from what they are. Will you boycott that to?

A clown is frightening to many children.

A clown is in a different category though. It is not deliberately trying to sow confusion over a fundamental understanding of the human state which is that there are men and women, boys and girls ….. for young children.

Drag is something set up to amuse adults.

In pantomimes, which many children don’t like anyway, the dames are grotesques/characters who get laughed at within the larger story.

I bloody hate clowns. Always have. Same with drag - horrible piss take over sexualised parody of ‘woman’. How is this educational or in any way beneficial to small children? Are they teachers?

Complain in writing to the library manager and whoever their boss is. Drag is sexualised adult entertainment and promotes sexist stereotypes that are offensive to women. It’s inappropriate to promote it to young children.

There’s nothing inclusive about it.

Drag-queens, like strippers and pornstars do not need protecting
Ok, but why can it not be OK to want to present differently to the so called norm?! "
So drag queens read in a library sometimes.
So what?
Why does that in some eyes mean a threat?
Just someone dressing up and reading stories.

Why dress up like that - all boobs and makeup? What is the point? Drag is ‘sassy and sexy’ - why do toddlers need to see that - why is it such a ‘thing’?

@ScrollingLeaves

just think society is now moving to be inclusive and as part of the LGBTQ+ movement and the library has chosen to include them. The fault isn't with the drag artists the fault is with the library.

I have seen many drag queens and some are aimed at a wider audience yes but some I have seen are quite tasteful and play to an audience thats all they would do by reading the story. You say pantomime dames are laughed at within a larger story. What do you think drag is? There laughed at in a larger audience?

What letter is drag exactly?

My niece is a firefighter and does a lot of community work teaching young people and especially girls. She is also gay. Issue say that’s showing ‘inclusivity’ or rather showing what women can do and how they can achieve in a ‘man’s world’.

How is a grotesque parody of a woman - doing what of note exactly? - meant to inspire children?

Totally inappropriate and not what public funds should be spent on. I hate drag, but can see others enjoy it. It’s NOT ok for children though.

How much is one of these ‘entertainers’? I’m guessing £50 for a 45 min slot? How many books would that buy?

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Drag-queens, like strippers and pornstars do not need protecting Ok, but why can it not be OK to want to present differently to the so called norm?! " So drag queens read in a library sometimes. So what? Why does that in some eyes mean a threat? Just someone dressing up and reading stories.

No, a drag queen is a very specific thing, a specific type of costume with a specific type of context.

No one is just a drag queen going out to check out the sales in the supermarket because they like to dress up.

And the context of drag is about the nature of gay male sexuality, which is meaningless at best, and more likely inappropriate, for kids.