Emily Thornberry LBC

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Praised for her forthrightness, then subsequently asked whether women can have a penis, the Rt Hon MP declined to give a direct answer, but replied that certainly some women are adult human females, but some women are born in the wrong gender and are very distressed and it is somewhat disgraceful of the Prime Minister to try and make points in the culture war'

I really can't understand why this basic question is difficult for intelligent women to answer.

Another highly privileged woman who will never have anyone taking her opportunity to get out of poverty from her by taking her spot on the Olympic team, or taking her right to safe, private accommodation away after she’s imprisoned.

She can go to hell.

Emily Thornberry has said previously that she has a close relative who identifies as a 'transman'. She seems unable to be objective about this issue because of that.

And I have no wish to see anyone used as a political football either. But not do I think it’s for my child’s school to hide any mental health problems they might be having from me, tell her she’s male, change her name and encourage her to seek help from negligent charities who will drive her towards hormones and surgery.

There are very serious issues here. Thornberry is the one who should know better.

I could have any number of relatives who identified as transmen. I would treat them with kindness and respect. It wouldn’t cause me to lose my moral compass as she evidently has, and say women should have to share rape refuges with males.

@OldCrone

Emily Thornberry has said previously that she has a close relative who identifies as a 'transman'. She seems unable to be objective about this issue because of that.

I think that's possibly understandable but also a senior MP should be able to be objective, and listen to the wider social view on this, especially from women.

Labour just continue to disappoint so you come to expect very little from them.

Some women. DFOD.

I wasn't defending Thornbury, just providing some background.

I think this is one reason why genderists have been so keen on pushing the idea of 'trans kids'. They are hoping to recruit people like her to their cause - those people who can't see further than their own vulnerable relative to see the dangers of medicating children and of letting males into female only spaces.

There's clearly a party line that has to be toed. I'm sure Emily Thornberry has a very clear idea of what a woman is.

(I also have a close relative who is a transman. And close relatives who are a confused and distressed octogenarian couple unable to get their heads round being told that they should have recognised in the 1970s that their happy little daughter was actually a miserable and suicidal little son. I struggle to get past the cruelty of that.)

No, I know.

She needs to understand politicians can’t create change like this without a mandate. They lost. They get to listen for a bit now.

But to be fair, she’s a better speaker on this than Starmer. He looks embarrassed, she looks very confident in her view (as idiotic as it is).

I don't know why we are still desperately holding out hope for Labour, they have decided their stance on this and I don't think they will backtrack now.
For the first time in my life (and indeed the first of any generation of my family), I am going to vote Tory. I don't like the Conservatives at all, but they speak sense on this issue.

@OldCrone

I wasn't defending Thornbury, just providing some background.

I think this is one reason why genderists have been so keen on pushing the idea of 'trans kids'. They are hoping to recruit people like her to their cause - those people who can't see further than their own vulnerable relative to see the dangers of medicating children and of letting males into female only spaces.

No I know, just frustrated at the state if Labour. Again.

Not coming at you OldCrone.

It's noticeable that Stella Creasy and Wes Streeting found a better answer and that the whole party is tacking on this at the moment. I'm not sure Emily Thornberry is on the ball enough for the job she holds. I've never forgiven her for that stupid, stupid flag tweet. She should have known better. She's unimaginative.

I'm voting tactically Lib Dem as I think this government is a shitshow that don't really care about women's rights as a party. Ironically, as individuals they do better.

I'm so disappointed she's turned out to be a groomer, I appreciated her very much in the past but now I'm backing Boris.

This issue is a hill I'm willing to die on.

@OldCrone

I wasn't defending Thornbury, just providing some background.

I think this is one reason why genderists have been so keen on pushing the idea of 'trans kids'. They are hoping to recruit people like her to their cause - those people who can't see further than their own vulnerable relative to see the dangers of medicating children and of letting males into female only spaces.

Excellent point that I hadn't considered before.

She was talking about the Silent Majority last night on QT. Can't remember all the details.

But what about the silent majority here? Why do they not matter.

As a lifelong Labour voter, even with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm, it really is quite upsetting that we don't matter.

Of course we want everyone to be able to live the lives they want but come on - there needs to be limits and provisions made to ensure their safety and comfort without removing the rights of women.

@PermanentTemporary

It's noticeable that Stella Creasy and Wes Streeting found a better answer and that the whole party is tacking on this at the moment. I'm not sure Emily Thornberry is on the ball enough for the job she holds. I've never forgiven her for that stupid, stupid flag tweet. She should have known better. She's unimaginative.

I'm voting tactically Lib Dem as I think this government is a shitshow that don't really care about women's rights as a party. Ironically, as individuals they do better.

I'm certainly not going to tell you what to do with your vote, but the Lib Dems are actually worse than Labour on this. Do they have even less chance of getting in where you live?

I agree with Teawam, the only way to guarantee the safety of women and girls moving forwards is to vote Conservative.

@lockhillie

I agree with Teawam, the only way to guarantee the safety of women and girls moving forwards is to vote Conservative.

No no no. The Tories are underfunding women’s refuges, the NHS, children’s services, etc. - all of these have a massive direct impact on women’s lives.

There's a lot going on in the Lib Democrats behind the scenes to push back. I have made the decision not to be a single issue voter on this. I cannot vote for Johnson, that's just how it is.

@lockhillie

I agree with Teawam, the only way to guarantee the safety of women and girls moving forwards is to vote Conservative.

It's an extremely important issue, but there are other issues too.

And then there's morality. It's incredibly important to me that the people I vote for are decent human beings.

I agree, I am very detrimentally affected by their policies, very. But there is the concept of holding the line. This is an issue of women's hardship vs women's very reality.

Another party gets in and I guarantee that line will be wavy at best and women will eventually no longer exist.

There will not be poor women
Women suffering domestic violence
An NHS for women

There will be these very admittedly underfunded services, there will be poverty, but there will be no women as a distinct class. At best there may be a distinction of 'cis'. At best.

Sigh. That was to @IsThePopeCatholic

@PermanentTemporary

There's a lot going on in the Lib Democrats behind the scenes to push back. I have made the decision not to be a single issue voter on this. I cannot vote for Johnson, that's just how it is.

Respect that, and good to hear about the pushback. I hope it bears fruit soon.

The lib dems are totally twaw. Helen Belcher makes sure of that.

And then there's morality. It's incredibly important to me that the people I vote for are decent human beings.

Boris is a decent human being, he's shown the upmost respect for women and girls when others haven't.