Nancy tweets about "gender affirming care" for detransitioners

[ResisterRex]

Nancy tweets:

https://twitter.com/NancyMM_K/status/1512064283051405325

"Really thoughtful thread on the need to expand gender affirming care, including for people who detransition"

Is the next move from the TQ+ people going to be a move into "gender affirming care" for those transitioning back? This is the thread tweeted, from someone who describes themselves thus:

detransitioned/retransitioned FtMtF virago 🗡 (any/all) 🌱 anti-essentialist feminist 🌿 bisexual tomcat 🐱

Thread
twitter.com/ShabnakA/status/1512060146943463432
"As trans visibility and access to trans care increases, more people will seek out transition for dysphoria or gender incongruence. Some will decide that transitioning wasn't for them, because their goals didn't pan out, their dysphoria wasn't mitigated, social pressure, etc.
Even if the rate of detransition stays the same, the absolute number will increase as trans people increase, too. This is not inherently negative, but what is bad is the lack of support and resources for people who ultimately decide that they need to detransition.
Ignoring or writing off the needs of detransitioners as too niche to matter not only harms us, but also trans people who would benefit from better information on transition options, navigating doubts/fears, social adjustment, and working through regrets.
I'm lucky, in a sense, that I don't regret any of my transition and am happy I did it. Not all detransitioners feel the same way. We can validate those experiences without universalizing them, or utilizing them as a prescription against transition care.
We can recognize that what is profoundly positive for some people may be very negative for others. Some people will have regrets, some will make mistakes. Some would've continued transitioning under different circumstances, some wish they'd never done so. All are okay to feel.
The tragedy isn't that people are allowed to make decisions regarding their bodies or self-expression. The true tragedy is that most of the people who seek such options do so with very little support and limited info. It's cause for an expansion of resources, not a restriction."

... yeah the first thing to do would be to listen to detransitioners and see what their voices and their chosen support would be.

Because in insensitive hands this could be about managing detransitioners in the least politically damaging way. Rather like trying to get women in refuges to 'reframe their trauma' and recant to get care, in case their needs, their trauma, their voices and wishes for care mess with the Grand Plan.

Forgive my cynicism; it was learned the hard way from a hell of a lot of experience of watching the ethics of this political movement in action. Empathy and non self-interested care for others is a rare, rare bird in it.

My worry is this is viewed as a cash cow. Which will mean what you say, Artichoke. It's potentially very concerning

I think they should leave them alone and let them find support from people who understand their experiences.

Stonewalls next income stream?

But I suppose they have to move away from saying gender is innate to saying it’s fluid, and once it’s fluid they can say it’s completely reasonable for people to move from male to female to male to female, with hormonal treatments and surgeries, and no idea of what long-term cost their body will pay.

They can bring detransitioners under the Stonewall umbrella for more joyful, affirming experiences.

(If you are a person reading this who might consider trusting Stonewall with advising you on your care, that was sarcasm.)

@TinselAngel

Stonewalls next income stream?

It wouldn't surprise me, the greedy, opportunistic, exploitative bastards.

Well here's the current state of play for those seeking help and advice with detransitioning from the leading LGBTQ+ organisations Stonewall, Mermaids and the Trevor Project.

Those screenshots were taken yesterday.

Nancy is running scared. She's forgotten that the internet is forever. She thinks that she can bullshit nicey nicey when people are looking at her but forgets her comments about "terfs" being no better than antisemites. All in her Dolores Umbridge voice, ironically.

Searching Twitter, it looks like this is the first time the CEO of Stonewall has ever actually Tweeted the word 'detransition''.

@bellinisurge

Nancy is running scared. She's forgotten that the internet is forever. She thinks that she can bullshit nicey nicey when people are looking at her but forgets her comments about "terfs" being no better than antisemites. All in her Dolores Umbridge voice, ironically.

Oh, just watch them delete all their old articles and social media posts, revamp their websites with shiny new colours, start talking about 'fluidity' and 'care' and 'gender journeys', add a detransitioning stripe to a new Progress 2.0 flag...

@TinselAngel

Stonewalls next income stream?

Grifters gotta grift

This is actually making me feel nauseous

I've seen this sort of thing before from other groups - it's all part of someone's "gender journey", sort of thing.

That Stonewall has switched to it now maybe indicates some acceptance that they it's no longer effective trying to cling to the "gender is utterly solid and innate" that they wanted strategically to justify the "conversion therapy" ban.

People are seeing through that, so they give up on it, and move in on the "gender journey" stuff, to try to handle the detransition front of the battle.

By what appears to be her new logic, detransitioners would be transitioners, just moving from one sex to the other (or to some state in between) and natural Stonewall clientele. Once you’re in their clutches you can’t leave.

Cynically I would say they are making a play for their loyalty and affection. Like children who are caught up in a bitter divorce.

Dentransitioners are better continuing to forge ahead with their own orgs and networks as they have been doing.

I don't think feminists or the TQ+ necessarily know what is best for them. Obviously I want to be supportive of all female detrans people but that's different than speaking for them.

I have no words for this craven bunch of [redacted].

They know that detransitioners pose an existential threat to trans rights, so if they include them under the transgender umbrella they are keeping their enemies closer.

Quite creepy this

Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

They can never get away from the "Church."

This started when Marci Bowers said maybe endocrinologists had zig zagged too far and overestimated what surgeons could do.

After Marci had ruined Jazz Jennings, on tv.

Marci's no fool. Can position marci-self to be an expert in the compensation cases, right?

It's a ponzi scheme built on misery, infertility and mental ill health.

The fuckers.

Yeh sure detransitioners should trust that the people who sold them this bs will help "fix" everything for them 🙄

Please let them not add the ‘D’ to the string of letters.

I would have thought ‘gender affirming care’ is the very last thing that detransitioners want- isn’t their status as detransitioned people a rejection of gender identity theory? A reclamation of their biological sex that was there all along? A reclamation of gender nonconformity being ordinary, not something to pathologise and experimentally medicalise?

This a group of people that Stonewall pretended don’t exist. This a ‘part of the journey’ that people who socially or medically detransitioned, were ostracised for talking about. Or told that they were never really trans.

This is a ‘part of the journey’ that detransitioned people, their doctors, psychologists, researchers, parents, and anyone else who thought to ask questions about it, would be demonised as ‘transphobic’ for showing concern about. Because it made the political lobby look bad. They’ve been ignored deliberately for years because they show the self-serving dogma for what it is. They show that biological reality matters which is intolerable and unforgivable to this political lobby.

Stonewall should give a lot of their income to specialist organisations that support detransitioned people as a group with defined, unique needs. Stonewall should do this as part of explicitly recognising the severe and different physical and emotional burdens faced by detransitioned people of each sex.

The idea of Stonewall being an authority to comment on the needs of detransitioned people is insulting. The prospect that one day Stonewall might get money to provide services for them, is extremely concerning.

What possible expertise does Stonewall have on any of this? Zero.
‘Gender affirming care’ would require detransitioned people in numbers to feel they are a subset of transpeople.
Maybe some might? Or, might many of them quite reasonably feel very let down by a politics that rejected and ignored their experiences? I don’t know.

Anyway, you can't detransition in law, can you?

Isn't that one of the problems Keira has? She's got a GRC and in order to change gender on a GRC you have to have dysphoria - which Keira doesn't have.

So, I may be wrong in this, but, Keira's still a male in law? Because the law is an ass.