Jimmy Savile - A British Horror Show

[NotAGirl]

So much that could, should, must be said about this documentary

Something that really struck me was how people who ignored what was in front of them were happy to be interviewed and still didn’t take any responsibility for not saying anything and how heartbreaking it was to see one of the victims even knowing how protected he was blame herself for not saying anything when she was a frightened child.

We're walking into a very similar (and potentially more far-reaching) situation by allowing men to identify into roles such as Brownie leaders with no questioning permitted.

Can I ask those who have watched this about the presentation please?

I understand that some of the content will be triggering for me as a survivor of CSA but I wanted to ask if it is presented factually and respectfully, rather than as 'entertainment' before I attempt to view?

@Deliriumoftheendless

I really felt for Selina Scott, with his grotesque behaviour and Bough just smiling away.

I remember when it all came out there were people saying “oh we all knew what Jimmy was like...” yet you all kept quiet.

(I played the Jerry Sadowitz Savile sketch to a friend the other day- he was shocked that no one else was saying anything).

We will continue to see predators like this. Bottom line is there’s not enough concern for abused children from those in power. (I wonder why not? Hmmm)

Bough apparently continuously sexually harassed Selina Scott. Constant remarks, offensive questions, etc.

I wanted to write in to Jim'll Fix It as a child but didn't actually want to meet him as I thought he was weird ,thank God!

@52andblue

Can I ask those who have watched this about the presentation please?

I understand that some of the content will be triggering for me as a survivor of CSA but I wanted to ask if it is presented factually and respectfully, rather than as 'entertainment' before I attempt to view?

I don’t know how it will affect you, there was an interview with one of his victims that made me want to cry for the frightened little girl you could still see in the woman in her 50’s talking

But it didn’t feel like entertainment.

Definitely not entertainment. The woman that was interviewed talks about her abuse which is upsetting but it's all very factual.

@pytheon completely agree. The 80s were so different. I remember constantly being warned not to get in cars with strangers who might have sweets or puppies, but I don't think I realised there could be any kind of sexual element to it. These days children are so much more aware from a much younger age, and that can only be a good thing. We didn't even have sex education lessons until we were about 15, and I can remember my mum giving me a book about bodies, puberty and sex when I was around 10, but saying nothing about it - and to be fair, my parents were always pretty open about most things. I was probably well into my teens before I really realised sexual abuse was a thing.
Also agree with the having to sit on relatives knees and give them a kiss and you couldn't be rude and say no. Although as an adult my mum has told me there was an elderly uncle who we visited occasionally, and she would never let me sit on his knee because she just felt something was 'off'.

I remember watching him as a child and remember thinking Id love to be on Jim'll fix it but also thinking but I don't want to meet that man so a quite a young child I could tell there was something not right about him

It was awful how much he got away with.

The little girl he abused in church, still seeming to blame herself for not shouting/telling her mum, many years later.

The bit in TOTP where he was obviously groping a young girl and she kept jumping away but he clearly didn't stop - all live and in front of the cameras for everyone to see.

Hiding in plain sight.

@greyinganddecaying

It was awful how much he got away with.

The little girl he abused in church, still seeming to blame herself for not shouting/telling her mum, many years later.

The bit in TOTP where he was obviously groping a young girl and she kept jumping away but he clearly didn't stop - all live and in front of the cameras for everyone to see.

Hiding in plain sight.

Not even hiding. It was awful, wasn't it?

Bough apparently continuously sexually harassed Selina Scott. Constant remarks, offensive questions, etc.
She wasn’t e only one he harassed apparently and let’s not forget how his career ended.

Not so hard to understand why so many said nothing about Savile really is it?

I've told this story before on here, but in the early 2000s I met a young woman (late teens) as part of my work and she had been publicly sexually assaulted by Savile at a work event while everyone in the company laughed it off. I always remembered this, especially after he died and everything came out but it was only recently that I read an account of a woman who recounted the exact same thing happening to someone else, which was apparently a thing he liked to do. (I won't say what he actually did but it was really grim). In Plain Sight. The humiliation of these young women and the fact that they couldn't speak up was clearly a big part of it.

Many people knew, in his life 'compartments' that seem separated at first glance, but it seems that there was a real sense of almost everyone else being 'little people' whose testimonies would have counted for nothing whatsoever against the powerful.

The late 80s-90s rumours that I'd heard and thought they were so far fetched that they couldn't be credible (until they were), were through his charitable and 'local fame' connections to Leeds hospitals, not surrounded by TV people as such. He visited patients and regularly chipped in on hospital radio. He would notoriously be able to obtain, perhaps never return, a key that would get him anywhere, wards, kitchens...and especially student nurses' accommodation. People told me they were instructed to block up the door at night with furniture etc., it was common knowledge, and yet it was still him who kept his caring glitter and gloss facade even in a huge hospital??

Thanks for explaining OP, Steve Coogan is a good looking guy So I'm intrigued to see how he will pull off portraying a nasty creep, with the right hair, outfits, good acting he'll probably do a good job of it. Wonder if it will be on Netflix.

@veronicagoldberg

We're walking into a very similar (and potentially more far-reaching) situation by allowing men to identify into roles such as Brownie leaders with no questioning permitted.

Wet true

Very!!

The groping women thing.. I remember seeing a photo of Prince Charles which I had never seen before. They were sitting side by side and he was reaching across and grabbing her breast and laughing. It’s a whole endemic attitude in men of that generation that women are property.

The lady who was telling us about the abuse she suffered in church made my heart bled. Its as if she was a child again. I just wanted to hug her and tell her that it wasn't her fault. He was such a bastard. The lives he ruined. I wonder what happened to him when he fell out of the pram? Does anyone know more.

The Steve Coogan thing is bbc apparently.
After seeing him as Stan Laurel, I think he’ll pull it off really well. He’s so good at impersonating.

@NotAGirl
@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

thank you, that is helpful. I find programmes can be made about awful RL things such as abuse & murder in an almost 'salacious' / 'entertaining' way which I find distressing in itself so it's good to know they've avoided that trap although obviously the content will be hard.

[quote 52andblue]@NotAGirl
@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

thank you, that is helpful. I find programmes can be made about awful RL things such as abuse & murder in an almost 'salacious' / 'entertaining' way which I find distressing in itself so it's good to know they've avoided that trap although obviously the content will be hard.[/quote]
It's much more about his fame, charitable work and royal family connections. It's all very factual. Imo probably the best they could've made it There is talk of the abuse but it's a woman recounting her abuse. She's amazing and comes across really well. I'm so pleased she's ended up with a nice family.

I was in McDonalds on Oxford Street in the early 2000s and felt someone looking at me. I can't be 100% that it was Jimmy Savile but I think it was. I remember thinking at the time what a pathetic, leery old man he looked. He was really dishevelled. I was in my early 20s but looked young. The way he looked at me convinced me at the time that this pathetic creep couldn't be the famous, charismatic JS. But given everything that came to light subsequently, I think it probably was.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I've told this story before on here, but in the early 2000s I met a young woman (late teens) as part of my work and she had been publicly sexually assaulted by Savile at a work event while everyone in the company laughed it off. I always remembered this, especially after he died and everything came out but it was only recently that I read an account of a woman who recounted the exact same thing happening to someone else, which was apparently a thing he liked to do. (I won't say what he actually did but it was really grim). In Plain Sight. The humiliation of these young women and the fact that they couldn't speak up was clearly a big part of it.

I used to work with someone who had much the same experience - groped by Savile in front of an audience of her colleagues at some charity event, and everyone just laughed it off. She was about 20 at the time. We're probably talking about two different people here as well, which just goes to show how ingrained the attitudes were at the time. I find it hard to explain to younger people who weren't around in the 80s just how different it was and why these victims wouldn't have spoken up or gone to the police. The past is most definitely a foreign country...

We're probably talking about two different people here as well

I'm pretty sure we are, and I have also read about others. This was in early 2000s (it had only just happened before I met her) so people at her workplace really should have been better, but I guess no one was going to challenge Jimmy Savile, and he had the police on his side too. Awful.

@veronicagoldberg

We're walking into a very similar (and potentially more far-reaching) situation by allowing men to identify into roles such as Brownie leaders with no questioning permitted.

We most certainly are sister , terrifying. And the rest....