Response from Kate Green

[respectmysex]

NC for this one. I've emailed my local MP, Kate Green, to ask her position on self ID and womens spaces. Here is her response. Can you help break this down for me? I'm not sure what side of the fence she is on tbh.

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Thank you for your recent contact.

I am hugely proud of Labour’s track record on equality and, as a feminist of many decades standing I am personally sympathetic to self-identification sitting alongside careful and robust safeguarding and risk management, which is in the interests of both individuals undergoing gender reassignment and the wider community.

Protections and safeguards for women only spaces do already exist though I readily recognise that they have not always been appropriately implemented. I have seen troubling cases on both sides of this particular coin.

The focus should be on ensuring that safeguards are systematically applied so I am very pleased that Labour has committed to ensuring that trans people can live their lives with equality, dignity and respect, and would update the Gender Recognition Act to enable a process of self-identification while continuing to support the implementation of the Equality Act, including ensuring that the single sex exemption is understood and fully enforced in service provision.

I hope this is helpful.

Kind regards

Kate Green

I read it as she says the words but they don't mean what she thinks they do.

How will you protect single sex spaces if you legislate for self ID Kate?

Nah, that's bollocks. Lisa Nandy-style tosh.

Ask her how today's fresh EHRC guidelines would act as a template for her wishy-washy model of impossible compromise.

Hard to say. Could be she agrees with the new EHRC guidance (biological sex is the meaning of sex in the EA, unless you have a GRC, but GRC doesn’t matter for single-sex provision).

Or it might be that she interprets ‘robust safeguarding’ as just keeping out the odd TW with a conviction for rape?

Do women have dicks Kate? Cause it’s the dicks that are the problem. Wot ya gonna do about that?

I'm not even going to name change - she sent me a virtually identical letter. I don't know if I can be arsed to reply to her as she is standing down at the next election.
Waves to OP - it's bloody freezing here today

I have seen troubling cases on both sides of this particular coin.

What troubling cases?

On one side, rapists being put into women's jails and continuing to commit assaults against women.

On the other side? What do feminists do that is remotely as troubling as that?

Oh she did sign the stupid letter - I think it was in The Observer a few years ago - from Fox and Owl or whatever they are called.
As for sports she has actually said WOMEN MUST TRY HARDER.

What are the troubling cases on both sides? Are we comparing hurt feelings on one side to physical safety on the other?

@Cuck00soup

I read it as she says the words but they don't mean what she thinks they do.

How will you protect single sex spaces if you legislate for self ID Kate?

It’s not the point of the thread but I’m confused by this- if you have robust access to single sex spaces, then other sexes are excluded. Self Id means anyone can get a GRC without jumping through hoops, or that a GRC isn’t needed anymore (embarrassing but I’m not sure anymore ) but doesn’t change whether you qualify for a space that is using the single sex exemption doesn’t it? So if its eg a women’s group welcoming legal women, self Id means anyone who wants can attend, but if it’s a womens group welcoming biological women only, then self Id doesn’t make a difference? Help me out please!

I’ll bet you a pound to a penny that it’s just a template letter. The latest Labour line. I wrote to mine about 3 years ago and hers was identical to others people posted. Anyone else got one to compare it with?

Reply asking about women's sport - if transwomen are women then they can compete in women's sport.

There's also the issue that many grant awarding bodies or Scottish Government departments insist on trans inclusion as a pre-requisite of receiving funding. This is why rape crisis centres have been defunded. Their sex-based rights protection in law has not been respected.

If she said 'women should try harder' in sport, she is a lost cause. I expect she is now parroting Labour's latest form of words to make it look like they will respect single sex spaces but if TWAW, the words are still meaningless weasel words.

Both sides? That bit in particular struck me as well.

I've just checked - my letter is identical and it was sent on 2nd March

@Redshoeblueshoe

I've just checked - my letter is identical and it was sent on 2nd March

So despite this being Labour's form of words since at least the beginning of March, lots of senior politicians have been in the media unable to define a woman. That maybe tells you what this form of words really means.

Absolutely jkrfan

She's being deliberately vague because the answer is that she wants men to be allowed to access women, but knows that would go down like a lead balloon so she's trying to conceal that.

Timeisnotaline that's exactly the point.

You can't have female only spaces, if non-females can identify into them.

Politicians want to play both sides of this argument with meaningless fluffy word salad, but the crux of the argument is binary.

she is waiting to see which way the wind will eventually blow, although if she is standing down at the next election it's a bit puzzling why

So, she wants self id which means everything else is bollocks because what she carefully doesn't say is if she thinks any man who self ids as the opposite to their real sex should get to use womens spaces.

I also notice no mention of her wanting real women or real men to be able to live their lives with equality, dignity and respect.
Apparently she only wants that for people who identify as the opposite sex.

@AlisonDonut

I have seen troubling cases on both sides of this particular coin.

What troubling cases?

On one side, rapists being put into women's jails and continuing to commit assaults against women.

On the other side? What do feminists do that is remotely as troubling as that?

It’s the stickers !!!

Thanks everyone and @Redshoeblueshoe thanks for confirming it was a template reply. I made a point of starting my email with the fact I wasn't using a perfectly worded and thought provoking template, but just my own words to express who important and personal this issue is for me.

I didn't know she was standing down. Seems bloody pointless then even going back to her. I'll not vote labour again until I'm confident women are a protected class once again. I'll spoil my ballot if I have to.

Well I thought the same - but just knowing I'm not the only one who has written to her makes me feel better, so now I might reply.

Load of bollocks - she wouldn't get my 'X'

It’s the stickers !!!