Janice Turner in Times - women will never accept sports being rigged

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a1be0454-b1f2-11ec-8b8c-0207c0fd6104?shareToken=475cf38546a5b25ef1ceb60846ad4b93

Thank you for sharing that. Janice Turner is always brilliant, but at her electric best when she is furious.

“Thomas and Bridges had merely followed the rules: reduce your testosterone below 5nmol/L (over twice the female top limit) for a year or so and you’re a woman. This not only fails to diminish the myriad advantages bestowed by male puberty, from greater lung capacity to narrower hips which make for more powerful pedalling, it is also a grotesque misogynist slur.

Women are not just hobbled men, smaller men, lesser men, men who have popped pills. We are not helpmeets for men, created from Adam’s rib. Women are our own selves. Our bodies are extraordinary…”

And good to see Philippa York being called out for accusing Lia Thomas’ teammates of lying about what happened in the changing rooms (and indirectly The Times for giving York a platform to do so).

The sports we play are optimised for the male physique. I do wonder how things might have turned out differently if not for the patriarchy. More equestrian sports perhaps, ultra endurance events and things that require a high pain tolerance.

She's yet again on fire. The Times have so many fantastic writers and reading today, alongside the outstanding Lucy Bannerman article, has been a pleasure.
So many powerful articles, while allowing the occasional pathetic one from a sad male sports writer .

Smaller goals on football

Children are not small adults.

Women are not smaller men with missing or extra bits and bobs.

It's taken millennia for medicine and political, legal, social, and civic institutions to grasp this concept that 'not men' does not mean defects/deficiencies: even now medicine and these institutions aren't up to speed on the consequences of what this means.

Those loudly proclaiming "evolving science" seem to have skipped these basics.

Thank you, Janice.

Is this The Times trying to claw back some credibility from the poorly informed Matt someone or other, Senior Sports Writer? I've forgotten his name. No bad thing, as it happens.

Brilliant article! 👏👏👏

Yes women are not crap versions of men. Let’s see a trans woman try to make the Olympic rhythmic gymnastics team

That is clear, authoritative and incisive. With care for all stakeholders. Needs sharing far and wide.

She sounds so calm. A furious woman gets discounted, but Janice Turner is expresses her disgust at the situation in sports with icy coldness.

Can anyone make a share token for the article mentioned below it? How activists used a veil of secrecy to rewrite biology

@JellySaurus

She sounds so calm. A furious woman gets discounted, but Janice Turner is expresses her disgust at the situation in sports with icy coldness.

Can anyone make a share token for the article mentioned below it? How activists used a veil of secrecy to rewrite biology

See this thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4519391-An-excellent-article-in-the-Times-this-evening

Janice Turner, icily furious. There is no one better at her marvellous, literary spitting.

And she does what a lot of men do not.

She carves her narrative by slicing up the misogyny in every single sentence.

The hundred year gap between men's cycling and women's cycling. The fifty year banning of women's football. The disgusting accusations of deceit aimed at women who don't want to be the victims of voyeurism or exhibitionism.

She exposes the motivation. Shows it's not accidental.

She supports women in every word she writes.

@Truthlikeness

The sports we play are optimised for the male physique. I do wonder how things might have turned out differently if not for the patriarchy. More equestrian sports perhaps, ultra endurance events and things that require a high pain tolerance.

Do you know what, even immersed in terfiness as I am, I've never even thought of sports being fecking designed for male bodies.

Mind. Blown.

Ooh JellySaurus, you called her icily cold, and I called her icily furious.

It's a testament to her writing, that her emotions are so readily recognised.

She carves her narrative by slicing up the misogyny in every single sentence.

Beautifully put, Datun

I also love Janice's writing.

I love her. I feel that she is the journalist who has shouted loudest and longest on this. I'm so grateful to her. She's so eloquent and just cuts through all the nonsense. And she's right about how angry we are. Politicians / policy makers haven't got it yet.

Women are not just hobbled men, smaller men, lesser men, men who have popped pills. We are not helpmeets for men, created from Adam’s rib. Women are our own selves

I love her too.

So much power and beauty in these sentences.

Two wonderful articles:
Janice's eloquent yet furious article alongside Lucy Bannerman's in depth analysis of how democracy can be undermined by the extremists in the trans movement (who) sought nothing less than to reclassify how humans are categorised across every part of public life, in sports, prisons and hospitals.

Thanks for posting. I will read this in the morning

I just came on to say how much I enjoyed her description of the trans football team as "mainly portly, middle-aged pub team players". Keep telling it how it is, Janice!

I also enjoyed her calling out Emily Sheffield who supports Emily Bridges. Emily Sheffield being former editor of the Evening Standard and sister of Samantha Cameron.

@Queenoftheashes

Yes women are not crap versions of men. Let’s see a trans woman try to make the Olympic rhythmic gymnastics team

I understand what you're saying, @Queenoftheashes and I totally agree that women are not crap versions of men. But rhythmic gymnastics isn't a great example because it's already in a weak position with the IOC, precisely because it's a single sex (at Olympic level) sport. The IOC doesn't like that sort of imbalance and in combination with the scandal in rhythmic at Tokyo, plus it's heavy Russian bias, the future of the sport seems a bit shaky (although the schedule for Paris has been released, including rhythmic, so it's not imminently on the chopping block).

(Sorry about all my typos! *its, etc)

What so because men can’t do it we can’t have it as a sport? Bullshit.

@Queenoftheashes

Yes women are not crap versions of men. Let’s see a trans woman try to make the Olympic rhythmic gymnastics team

My expectation is that the women's categories in several areas will rapidly undergo a scoring change and shift in criteria to valorise moves and athleticism that is more typically associated with men.

E.g., in ice-skating, the complexity of the technique, height of jumps, number of turns etc. will start to matter more than grace and style.

There's already been some shift towards this in ice-skating where failing something complex now counts for more than a flawless lower complexity (it wasn't always that way, iirc). This link gives an overview of what I mean here.

www.vox.com/culture/2018/2/14/17004314/figure-skating-scoring-winter-olympics-2018

I also expect changes like this in gymnastics in general where some non-binary and transgirls might jump higher, perform more twists etc. Remember this video from 2018?