Annoyed that survey asks for gender not sex

[Stopsnowing]

This Oxford University survey on sleep looked interesting

ecsm.fra1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_8fh17DLjMTf3CJg

But it asks for gender not sex. As it is the biological reality of menopause keeping me awake night after night I am annoyed.

Fellow sufferer. When this house of cards comes tumbling down, these clowns will pretend it never happened.

In this instance I always choose ‘other’ and put sex= female. Probably not the best option but its what I do!

Did you contact the study team to ask them what they think they’re playing at about it?

SOOOO annoying

@Stopsnowing

This Oxford University survey on sleep looked interesting

ecsm.fra1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_8fh17DLjMTf3CJg

But it asks for gender not sex. As it is the biological reality of menopause keeping me awake night after night I am annoyed.

It is very important to know whether you wear nighties or pyjamas don't you know.

Very important.

[quote [AUTO]jj6l6l0wdihf0]In this instance I always choose ‘other’ and put sex= female. Probably not the best option but its what I do![/quote]
I do that too.

It doesn't give you the choice of 'other'. It's male, female, non b or prefer not to say

I have emailed them about it. Address is [email protected]

We can ask/complain about this using the contact details copied below. If they get enough questions and complaints, perhaps they will think again.

Who can I contact if I need more information?
You can contact the SleepUK study team, who will do their best to assist you in your query, via the following details:

Primary study contact:
Dr Rachel Sharman
Experimental and Clinical Sleep Medicine Research Group, Sleep and Circadian Neuroscience Institute, University of Oxford
Email: [email protected]
Principal Investigator:
Prof Colin A. Espie
Experimental and Clinical Sleep Medicine Research Group, Sleep and Circadian Neuroscience Institute, University of Oxford
Email: [email protected]

The researchers should acknowledge your concern within 10 working days and give you an indication of how it will be dealt with. If you remain unhappy or wish to make a formal complaint, please contact the chair of the Medical Sciences Interdivisional Research Ethics Committee at the University of Oxford who will seek to resolve the matter as soon as possible:
Email: [email protected]
Address: Research Services, University of Oxford, Wellington Square, Oxford OX1

Same here - I've just completed a suvey where they asked for 'gender identity'.....

@Stopsnowing

This Oxford University survey on sleep looked interesting

ecsm.fra1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_8fh17DLjMTf3CJg

But it asks for gender not sex. As it is the biological reality of menopause keeping me awake night after night I am annoyed.

I've just filled it in. It asks a question about menopause, which includes as an option "not applicable" which I think covers all bases.

I've just filled it in. It asks a question about menopause, which includes as an option "not applicable" which I think covers all bases.

No it doesn't cover all bases but I am not going to waste my breath explaining why not to you.

It's annoying, but not always intentional when you see this. Sometimes the person who put the form or survey together just thinks the terms are interchangeable, as if it were 1997.

@VestofAbsurdity

I've just filled it in. It asks a question about menopause, which includes as an option "not applicable" which I think covers all bases.

No it doesn't cover all bases but I am not going to waste my breath explaining why not to you.

My understanding is that every woman who is not transgender – except for those who've had their ovaries removed before puberty – will go through menopause. Only a tiny handful of women have their ovaries removed before puberty.

I'd be very grateful if you could tell me why I am wrong.

Well I'm not going to bother conversing with you DadJoke my time is too precious.

It’s so nice men have found a new way to prevent research into women’s health needs. Perilously close to our not being constantly & consistently shat upon there with all that awareness of women having MIs that present very differently to the “traditional” (ie male) symptoms.

I mean, wilfully ignoring women’s discrete needs outwith obs & gynae (& even there huge investment is needed) even existed has had a good run, but clearly at some point that’s going to stop working. Not yet obviously, going from the business of: “Isn’t it dreadful how we treat women who’re in pain in comparison to how we treat men? So very very dreadful… ”

It’s an amazing way to prevent there being any shift from male as default though - continue only to meet male needs & interests but use the fudge of “men & women” when presenting whatever nonsense you’ve come up with - an all-male “50/50” parliament could be hurtling towards us, as a non-medical example.

I mean, it’s trans people who stand to be harmed most immediately by the idiotic lie of gender ID in healthcare, so you’d think they’d in fact be advocating loudly for research to include both your sex & [if you have a [gender]. Further, if you are trans, indicating if you are on cross-sex hormones & how long you have been taking them for should be standard: trans people deserve excellent health care; & that cannot be provided if nobody knows anything about their health as a population, including the impact of cross-sex hormones taken at varying doses & durations. Yet somehow that’s not what anyone claiming to want improved trans healthcare seems to want.

Given this seems to be all about Validation is there not some corner of the internet people could be directed to where they can fill out surveys to their hearts content? Ones that don’t have consequences in the real world, I mean. Like when you let toddlers “help” to contain their chaos[-creation].

The people running this study all know that sex matters. It is ridiculous - & embarrassing - that they are pretending otherwise.

Those of you who contact them, if you get a reply would you be kind enough to share it?

My understanding is that every woman who is not transgender

A woman who is transgender is a woman who identifies as a man and therefore will go into menopause possibly at a very early age.

We have the gender question at work. I pointed out that it’s not relevant as what they actually want to know, for medical reasons, is sex.

A woman who is transgender is a woman who identifies as a man and therefore will go into menopause possibly at a very early age.

Indeed. And they used to be encouraged to have a hysterectomy within 5 years of starting cross sex hormones to reduce the possibly increased cancer risk. Not sure if they still do that.

@AlisonDonut

My understanding is that every woman who is not transgender

A woman who is transgender is a woman who identifies as a man and therefore will go into menopause possibly at a very early age.

"A women who is transgender" is not a trans man, but a trans woman. Yes, of course, trans men can experience menopause, and will be captured by this question. For trans women, the answer is "not applicable", so they will be capture by this question.

"A women who is transgender" is not a trans man, but a trans woman.

Hi.

No a man that is transgender is a transwoman.

Hope that helps your confusion.

"A women who is transgender" is not a trans man, but a trans woman.

No.

@AlisonDonut

"A women who is transgender" is not a trans man, but a trans woman.

Hi.

No a man that is transgender is a transwoman.

Hope that helps your confusion.

I am not remotely confused.

A man who is tall is a tall man. A woman who is transgender is a transgender woman. That's how the language works.

I hope that helps, though this is just a distraction from the point - whether the test captures sex assigned at birth.

I think it does.

The menopause question captures sex assigned at birth.

If a person says they are male and select "not applicable" to the menopause question, they almost certainly a man who is not transgender.

If a person says they are female and selects "not applicable" they are almost certainly a trans woman.

If a person says they are male and selects anything other than not applicable, they are almost certainly a trans man.

If a person says they are female and selects anything other than not applicable, they are almost certainly a woman who is not transgender.

One poster says I've missed something here - I may well have - and I'd be happy to be shown I'm wrong.

A man who is tall is a tall man. A woman who is transgender is a transgender woman. That's how the language works.

A woman who is transgender is a trans man. It's the trans bit of the language that you are not understanding. It's about being a woman who is TRANSitioning from woman to man. It is literally the meaning of the word TRANS. Like when you transport things, you don't leave them in the same place. So a woman who is TRANS gender is transitioning from WOMAN to MAN. Like a lorry transports goods from say, Scotland to France. A lorry that leaves the goods in the same yard that they picked them up, is pretty redundant and a waste of resources.

I'd say though that as people/joke dads can get very confused about this point, it would probably be much easier to just ask the participants' sex.

If people think the question on menopause captures the issue sufficiently then why even ask for gender or sex?