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Yes Sally Gunnell!!

78 replies

Shinyshiny1 · 30/03/2022 17:12

Sorry if this has been shared already

twitter.com/sallygunnell/status/1509176194440347654?s=21

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WellThatsMeScrewed · 30/03/2022 18:27

Oh my goodness this has nearly made me cry! About bloody time!!! Keep going other elite sports men and women!!!

BoodleBug51 · 30/03/2022 18:28

Thank god.

Now just to keep the momentum.

Earlydancing · 30/03/2022 18:28

"Women aren't just men with less testosterone."

Perfectly put.

Sushiii · 30/03/2022 18:29

Excuse my ignorance (by the way I completely agree with Sally and comrades!), but are there any Trans Men who compete in men’s events? If no, is that because they feel it would be unfair on THEM?!

KohlaParasaurus · 30/03/2022 18:31

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Grin So proud of ALL OF THEM.

zighead · 30/03/2022 18:38

This is excellent. Well done to everyone for speaking up.

Zeugma · 30/03/2022 18:43

I think there’s some Twitter glitch going on at the moment, I can’t view any replies to tweets at all. So frustrating.

SallyLockheart · 30/03/2022 18:45

Keeping fingers crossed that this is the start. It’s when trans women totally take the p* that people start to notice. As posters are saying, mens competition one week, womens the next. WTF.

Jackiebrambles · 30/03/2022 18:48

Omg amazing come on ladies!!!!! I feel really emotional about this.

You too lads....

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 30/03/2022 18:49

Yes!! Fantastic, all of them. But I do have a soft spot for Sally Gunnell Smile .

doublemonkey · 30/03/2022 18:51

It would be great if we all started posting Nitter links instead of Twatter, which doesn't work for me as I don't have an account..

nitter.net/SallyGunnell

SonOfABench · 30/03/2022 18:51

@WhoWants2Know

I keep getting error messages when I try to see them
I had this but then updated the app and I could then see them.
Marylou62 · 30/03/2022 18:53

Well done all of you who are willing to speak out... X

beastlyslumber · 30/03/2022 19:07

That's awesome. So grateful to everyone speaking up.

ChimChimeny · 30/03/2022 19:09

This is amazing to see, and I hate to say it but i feel like it helps that it is also men speaking out so can't be dismissed as women moaning/being hysterical/other misogynist terms and as a result being told to 'be kind' (shut up)

Hasselhoffsheadband · 30/03/2022 19:56

I also feel quite emotional about this - we can't all be dismissed as 'transphobes'. Not all athletes speaking up about this can be 'right wing bigots'. Something is changing and I feel like it will be an exponential rise in people being brave enough to speak up.

EdinburghFeminist · 30/03/2022 20:06

I'm so delighted to see so many athletes speaking up now, we need more, but this is more than I've ever seen before today. I'm busy replying to them all individually to thank them - I want them all to see that they have support.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/03/2022 20:13

@EdinburghFeminist

I'm so delighted to see so many athletes speaking up now, we need more, but this is more than I've ever seen before today. I'm busy replying to them all individually to thank them - I want them all to see that they have support.
That's entirely in line with the advice given about how to engage with and support people in communities to which you don't ordinarily belong. You do that by liking, replying, and being supportive etc.

There has to be a golden bridge in Sun Tzu terms otherwise people will fight to the death when there's no viable escape route. So, people who've previously been all about the #BeKind need to know that they can rethink this, especially in some contexts like sports (in this case).

A different take on why people need golden bridges from an anti-vaxxer perspective and using what is known about perpetrating cons/fraud:

Goffman observed that all “marks” eventually come to understand that they have been defrauded. But strangely, they almost never complain or report the crime to the authorities. Why? Because, Goffman argues, admitting that you have been conned is so deeply shameful that “marks” experience it as a kind of social death – the painful end of one of the many social roles we all play.

Within those groups, we can pinpoint influential members who may be turning their backs on Covid denialism, and encourage them in their journey. We can message them offering support, particularly if our reference groups overlap – whether that means sharing the same home town, or practising the same faith. The more shared social space, the better. We might offer to back them up if they get trolled for expressing misgivings about Covid denialism. Or we could let them know that we would admire them for telling the truth.

Those people may not have a television audience of millions, but they nonetheless have the potential to act as “coolers” for those in their reference groups – both online and off. The higher their status within the groups, the more influence they will have in reconciling their fellow travellers to the reality of the pandemic, perhaps enabling them to rejoin society, or at least preventing them from endangering the rest of us.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/09/convince-anti-vaxxers

AlwaysFireFighting · 30/03/2022 20:26
I'm not convinced Kylie Grimes agrees with the others? She has retweeted one of the other's tweets which says that women's sport needs to be saved, and added "mind blown" and "angry" emojis. This looks to me as if she disagrees with the tweet?
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/03/2022 20:29

She has retweeted one of the other's tweets which says that women's sport needs to be saved, and added "mind blown" and "angry" emojis. This looks to me as if she disagrees with the tweet?

I had some misgivings about my interpretation of the emoticons and was informed by a Younger Person that it was plausibly Grimes hedging her bets as it's open to interpretation.

OatSprout · 30/03/2022 20:35

Awesome 👍 👍 👍

OvaHere · 30/03/2022 20:38

Delighted to see so many speaking out. One of them mentioned that she was afraid to. It should never have come to this.

mummywithtwokidsplusdog · 30/03/2022 20:40

I am so pleased- finally more than one or two voices! This madness needs to stop for everyone’s sake.

GibbonsGoatsGibbons · 30/03/2022 20:40

I've checked Kylie Grimes' likes & she's definitely on board - it's a stream of Sharron D's tweets Grin

Dinosauria · 30/03/2022 20:46

@Shinyshiny1

I saw Sally’s name and got excited and missed the athlete she was retweeting. Love that more professional sports people are speaking out!
With the greatest respect to Sally she has much less to lose. Still appreciate her input and tweeting the others.

But those women that are still competing, still requiring selection and sponsorship, I'm awed by them. Thank you Emily, Ellie, Beth and all the others.

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