201 babies and 9 women died, 94 babies with life changing injuries, all avoidable

[Lovelyricepudding]

At one hospital. Who knows about other hospitals? A system set up for internal investigation that looked like it may have been designed to avoid external involvement.

This is the state of maternity care in the UK.

Happened to me 30 years ago. Cruelty, neglect, baby death, lying, cover up. I did all I could, two years of campaigning. One doctor apologised to me personally. The inquest was powerful. The Chief Executive cared not a jot and I am sorry to say that midwives and junior doctors lied at the inquest. A consultant subsequently left the Trust in disgust. My marriage broke up. I survived with my two older children. This report has brought it all back in technicolour........

I salute Rhiannon and Kayleigh. Very brave. I send my love to all affected. RIP to the tragic babies and mothers who lost their lives. And courage for those who continue to look after those disabled.

I have never been able to trust the NHS since and this too has brought problems. So many people idealise this variable, often cruel, often deeply inefficient and negligent organisation.

What makes doctors and nurses lie at an inquest?

It turned out that in my case the loony, negligent, incompetent and cruel consultant had also sexually assaulted another patient so ultimately he was dealt with.

But not a word of apology from the Trust.

Given my time again I would call in the lawyers instantly and slam the Trust for every penny which I would donate to a baby charity.

I won't sleep tonight. It's taken me back 30 years.

leli 💐

@BettyFilous

leli 💐

Thank you very much BettyFilous

leli PurplePansy05 and every woman who's been reminded of dreadful experiences at the hands of maternity "care" in the NHS.

We must not let this slip - the government must pursue this and force the NHS to change.

Leli. My heart for you 💕 so sorry.

Leli. I'm so sorry

I gave birth at Telford in November 2021. They may have changed their policies, done more training and whatever else, but a significant amount of their midwives still have a thorough disdain for women and/or mothers. When your midwives seem to find birthing mothers to be irritating and ignore them when they ask for help as I experienced, no amount of policies in the world can make that a safe environment to give birth.

@Imnobody4

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1199156/Why-mothers-pain-childbirth--male-expert-midwifery.html? in 2009 by a male midwife who wrote text books and retired not so long ago.

More women should endure the pain of childbirth because anaesthetic drugs undermine the mother’s bond with her baby, an expert said yesterday.

Dr Denis Walsh said the agony of labour should be considered a ‘rite of passage’ and a ‘purposeful, useful thing’.

The pain prepared women for the demands of motherhood, he argued.

Dr Walsh, associate professor in midwifery at Nottingham University, criticised the ‘epidural epidemic’ sweeping the NHS, and said maternity units should abandon routine pain relief and embrace a ‘working with pain’ approach.

an article for Evidence Based Midwifery, published by the Royal College of Midwives, Dr Walsh said the NHS was too quick to give in to requests for pain-killing injections.

He said: ‘A large number of women want to avoid pain, but more should be prepared to withstand it. Pain in labour is a purposeful, useful thing which has a number of benefits, such as preparing a mother for the responsibility of nurturing a newborn baby.’

Revolting. Natural childbirth per se is absolutely fine and women should be supported if that's what they want, but NCB as an ideology is filthy.

It shouldn’t be natural childbirth at all costs I breed animals and there comes a certain point where they require intervention and I wouldn’t let my dog go through unnecessary suffering or risk losing her or her pups. We all just probably like the same consideration as humans

Difficult to hear a man preach about pain relief in labour.
But I'd be interested in reading the full context of his research.
For although epidurals are 'mostly' safe- there are many cases of hyper stimulation - seems to be more in the US. Which begs the question - are UK obs and MWs advanced enough in their training around the risks of epidural and other drugs that advance/or stall labour.

The recent news around birth scandals makes it clear (and includes cases of pitocin misused) that so so much further research is needed.

@tigerpants800

Difficult to hear a man preach about pain relief in labour. But I'd be interested in reading the full context of his research. For although epidurals are 'mostly' safe- there are many cases of hyper stimulation - seems to be more in the US. Which begs the question - are UK obs and MWs advanced enough in their training around the risks of epidural and other drugs that advance/or stall labour.

The recent news around birth scandals makes it clear (and includes cases of pitocin misused) that so so much further research is needed.

I mean, if he'd said he was concerned about hyper stimulation that would've been a reasonable point to raise. His argument was quite different, and there's really no context that would make it not appalling.

leli, my god. I'm so terribly sorry.

So am I leli, I had missed your post upthread.