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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women’s cycling now to be decimated/ women silenced

129 replies

girasol · 30/03/2022 07:30

And so it continues….
Fears for future of female sport as transgender cyclist rides in

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/11533398-af91-11ec-8b8c-0207c0fd6104?shareToken=2a3f87a55e25652043a6b9deb1a6eb89

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ScrollingLeaves · 30/03/2022 16:09

Shame on them. Shame shame shame.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/03/2022 16:21

@Jessica547
there's literally one, yall are really good at making mountains out of molehills, there's o n e

You only get literally one competitor coming first in a race. If someone enters a race for females and has an unfair advantage because of literally being a man and comes ‘first’, the woman who really won the race for females loses the prize she should have won.

And, though there may be only one right now in this race, the principle is established that this is considered fair play by sports organisation. It isn’t.

Helleofabore · 30/03/2022 16:23

Jessica747

Oh ... interesting new posters with this topic.

Helleofabore · 30/03/2022 16:34

there's literally one, yall are really good at making mountains out of molehills, there's o n e

o n e

There was only o n e in the NACC swimming competition too. And beat Olympic silver medalists and displaced how many women out of their team...3 or 4? And out of the other competitions too?

Not only that, but has exposed their penis in the women's changing rooms.

only takes O N E.

How many did it take for Kent County cricket to not only have records broken by a cricket player who was playing in both male and female teams at the same time. Was regularly very mediocre at male cricket but give them a lighter bat, a slower bowled ball, a shorter boundary and lo and behold, that set records that female cricketers may NEVER break.

AND was acclaimed as women cricketer of the year!!

O N E!!!

How many did it take in Olympic weighlifting, and Olympic archery for women to miss out on their Olympic dreams of representing their region/country because middle aged males took their position? Middle aged males??

O N E!! in each of those sports.

In fact, it only took O N E for the then current female olympian from that region in weighlifting for that female to retire early!

O N E!!! It only takes O N E ! to cause havoc within E A C H sport.
O N E !

Clearly you either know very little about the topic, or the science, or logic, or you simply don't care about the female sport's category.

FacebookPhotos · 30/03/2022 16:42

Interestingly, a few more female athletes have started to speak up like Sharron Davies and Martina Navratilova. Today on twitter, Ellie Baker (800m runner) and Sally Gunnell (former Olympic gold medallist in the 400m hurdles) have both spoken out against this. It almost feels like we are starting to turn a corner.

Helleofabore · 30/03/2022 16:55

Sadly, it will take more and more of them.

Mara Yamauchi has been very clear as well for a while.

FreelanceFiona · 30/03/2022 17:26

The thing that strikes me is that an elite male athlete can take female hormones and change sex categories and carry on with their career. There is no option for female athletes to take hormones and change categories and be competitive. If they 'transition' their career is over.

Surely even even the trans movement can see this is blatant sexism and inequality.

Clymene · 30/03/2022 17:54

@FreelanceFiona

The thing that strikes me is that an elite male athlete can take female hormones and change sex categories and carry on with their career. There is no option for female athletes to take hormones and change categories and be competitive. If they 'transition' their career is over.

Surely even even the trans movement can see this is blatant sexism and inequality.

God I can't believe that didn't occur to me before Blush
Tree543 · 30/03/2022 18:10

@FacebookPhotos

Interestingly, a few more female athletes have started to speak up like Sharron Davies and Martina Navratilova. Today on twitter, Ellie Baker (800m runner) and Sally Gunnell (former Olympic gold medallist in the 400m hurdles) have both spoken out against this. It almost feels like we are starting to turn a corner.
Good for them. Also saw Chris Tomlinson former long jumper speaking up on Twitter.
Artichokeleaves · 30/03/2022 18:10

@FreelanceFiona

The thing that strikes me is that an elite male athlete can take female hormones and change sex categories and carry on with their career. There is no option for female athletes to take hormones and change categories and be competitive. If they 'transition' their career is over.

Surely even even the trans movement can see this is blatant sexism and inequality.

It's always always heads male people win and tails female people lose.

It is always straight out male supremacism: that male people are more important, matter, their wishes and feelings must trump even the basic access to life and safety of females. While trying to tell you at the same time that sex isn't a thing. Confused

It is not a TQ+ issue. It is a wholly sex based issue.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/03/2022 18:32

@WinterTrees

Raised in the HoC. (By a Labour MP, astonishingly. Thank you Tonia Antoniazzi)

twitter.com/anyabike/status/1509129787503259653

Thank you for letting us know. I watched the HoC clip you posted. I have written to thank her. She was clever, putting it all in legal terms that would be hard to shout transphobe about. Kemi Badenoch backed her up and said she would look into it.

EdinburghFeminist · 30/03/2022 19:18

@Jessica747

"there's literally one, yall are really good at making mountains out of molehills, there's o n e"

Other posters have already explained why o n e isn't the point and why o n e does matter.

But here's a link to a list of all the women who have lost places in competition because they were competing against a trans woman. It isn't just o n e.

shewon.org/?fbclid=IwAR39aBrto15A2HKMreW3hhbIBmjg_MPRcYdpdTXDPZbpiFe-EZIJKGe4INE

Dimpsey · 30/03/2022 19:22

British cycling statement just released. Emily not going to be allowed to participate: www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20220330-British-Cycling-calls-for-coalition-to-address-transgender--and-non-binary-participation-in-elite-sports-0

Campervan69 · 30/03/2022 19:27

Encouraging news. This should put the brakes on and give time to reassess.

KohlaParasaurus · 30/03/2022 19:27

That's a start, but I'm not seeing any commitment to protecting WOMEN'S sport in that spiel of waffle.

DomesticatedZombie · 30/03/2022 19:29

faux indignant waffle, no less!

Clymene · 30/03/2022 19:31

'Bridges won't be competing because we got a slap on the wrist. Blah blah blah. Filler'

Wankers

TracyMosby · 30/03/2022 19:31

[quote Dimpsey]British cycling statement just released. Emily not going to be allowed to participate: www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20220330-British-Cycling-calls-for-coalition-to-address-transgender--and-non-binary-participation-in-elite-sports-0[/quote]
Wow!

But i do agree the sexism of transmens careers ending where transwomen careers flourish needs to be explored.

Campervan69 · 30/03/2022 19:39

twitter.com/unherd/status/1509221580097957898?t=P7yzgRie61PDiqBGare0mg&s=19

This looks interesting as well.

"'When it comes to sport, it should be about sex rather than gender, and sex should be based on your biological sex'.

Health Secretary @sajidjavid shares his thoughts on trans athletes with @freddiesayers. Full interview out tomorrow "

FreelanceFiona · 30/03/2022 19:46

[quote Dimpsey]British cycling statement just released. Emily not going to be allowed to participate: www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20220330-British-Cycling-calls-for-coalition-to-address-transgender--and-non-binary-participation-in-elite-sports-0[/quote]
That has the air of a forced hostage statement, but I'm glad they caved to the pressure. Laura Kenny being beaten would have caused uproar.

Artichokeleaves · 30/03/2022 19:48

@Campervan69

twitter.com/unherd/status/1509221580097957898?t=P7yzgRie61PDiqBGare0mg&s=19

This looks interesting as well.

"'When it comes to sport, it should be about sex rather than gender, and sex should be based on your biological sex'.

Health Secretary @sajidjavid shares his thoughts on trans athletes with @freddiesayers. Full interview out tomorrow "

This.

This is the only possible, fair and equal solution.

Gender is not sex. Sex is a fixed, unchanging fact, and those of that sex require sex based rights, spaces and sports .

New TQ+ categories are an option. Making male categories of sport inclusive of all males is also an option given all the fascination with 'can we make this about size, weight, testosterone levels'.

Male people cannot come into female sports without destroying female sports and removing that opportunity from the entire female half of the human race. There will be no impact of any kind upon male sports however, never mind an equal one. What's 'fair' about that?

FacebookPhotos · 30/03/2022 19:52

That is such a weasely statement! Pass the buck to UCI on Emily Bridges (so they can claim to support trans inclusion but don’t have to face the public outcry), fail to use the word “woman” even once, call for a coalition so you can pass the buck (again) and pretend you’ve never even heard of the Sport Councils’ Equality Group or their guidance and evidence.

Gobshites (as my granny would say).

I am pleased for the women athletes competing this weekend though.

TheAbbotOfUnreason · 30/03/2022 19:57

[quote Dimpsey]British cycling statement just released. Emily not going to be allowed to participate: www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20220330-British-Cycling-calls-for-coalition-to-address-transgender--and-non-binary-participation-in-elite-sports-0[/quote]
That helps explains why certain Twitter accounts suddenly went private.

Plus maybe having delusions shattered and discovering that the vast majority of people in the UK are not supportive of males in women’s sport.

colouringindoors · 30/03/2022 20:06

YES!!!!!

Nomoreusernames1244 · 30/03/2022 20:08

Cynically I wonder if they think it will help the medal tally and therefore government funding

Lottery funding for sports has gone from it’s original plan of providing a living for adult athletes so they didn't need to work and could focus on training full time, to a means of controlling athletes and everyone involved.

Firstly I will make the point that as far as I can see, there are no audits of how NGB’s spend these millions, and no requirement to publish detailed accounts. As far as I can tell they have free rein on how and where the money goes.

Secondly that money is often used to control athletes. This is their income, remember, take that away and they have no money for food, bills, rent, let alone training and competing. Do x or y, or lose your funding, isn’t uncommon.

Ngb’s also have total control over who they fund. If they don’t like you, or for whatever reason don’t want you selected, they just don’t fund you. Results don’t matter. They can fully fund a 12 year old, and not a 21 year old who is out there winning races.

There are athletes who’ve refused funding because of the control it gives the NGB. But if you’re a young athlete with big dreams this may be your only shot, and speaking out could get that funding removed, and you deselected from the GB programme.

So I completely understand why women aren’t speaking up. They risk their livelihoods as well as their sporting career.