Women’s cycling now to be decimated/ women silenced

[girasol]

And so it continues….
Fears for future of female sport as transgender cyclist rides in

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/11533398-af91-11ec-8b8c-0207c0fd6104?shareToken=2a3f87a55e25652043a6b9deb1a6eb89

My teenage daughter has just started playing ladies hockey - a trans women scored three goals past them a couple of weeks ago, they were so strong and fast, it was grossly unfair. My daughter was gutted at the end, she said the game was pointless.

My other daughter rides downhill at regional level, I’d be horrified if a male rode in her category. She already has to compete in a sport where the ratio of men to women is about 30:1 - they all ride the same track and it already requires bravery and confidence to practice and race alongside the men. I can barely believe that British Cycling would support men actually taking over her female category too !

@Rollercoaster1920

I cancelled my British Cycling membership because of their approach to trans (male to female) cyclists. I'd encourage others to do the same.

Cynically I wonder if they think it will help the medal tally and therefore government funding.

A question publicly posed to HSBC (main sponsor of BC) might get interesting responses.
Similarly to DCMS.

I cancelled my British Cycling membership years ago due to the lack of a road racing infrastructure for people in my demographic (middle aged women) but my DH did not renew his this year because of this issue. He's been a huge fan of women's cycling for years and is tamping mad about this development.

@RightOnTheEdge

They were talking about this on Jeremy Vine today. Both guest panelists said that TWAW and Shay Grewal said that she was OK with trans women competing in women's sport even after Jeremy Vine talked about the scientific physical differences between men and women and the advantages that men have.

It's so depressing and frustrating 😤

Shay presents radio shows for a living so it working on the basis shay won’t ever actually be required to compete against TW

@DomesticatedZombie

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-cycling-policy-on-transgender-athletes-discriminates-against-women-km7skv6r3

Another Times article 'British Cycling policy on transgender athletes ‘discriminates against women’'

It seems a fairly straightforward sex discrimination policy to me, if males are allowed higher levels of testosterone than females. Have I misunderstood?

@DomesticatedZombie you make good points about testosterone, but in fact testosterone levels are far less determinative of an athlete’s performance on the day than whether or not they have had the benefits of male puberty. The whole testosterone question is a dangerous side show because it is being used to justify the unjustifiable (“Its ok ladies, there is a level playing field because Transathelete has kept their testosterone levels below an arbitrary level (which by the way is still at least 5 times your own levels)! So budge over and be kind, eh?!”). It is utter, utter crap. Radio 4’s statistics program More or Less did a fantastic, science-based piece on which exposed the fallacy for what it is. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bnmpld

I've heard that British Cycling has banned women cyclists from commenting on this, threatening exclusion from future competitions if they don't comply. It's all very well all the men on these public newspaper forums saying women should boycott the event - but it looks like they'll lose their funding and their careers if they do.

Someone posted this - food for thought

2021 "I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it an unfair fight."

"When I raced transgender athletes on the track, colleges didn’t see the fastest female in Connecticut. They saw a second- or third-place runner."
Chelsea Mitchell

" I’ve lost four women’s state championship titles, two all-New England awards, and numerous other spots on the podium to transgender runners. I was bumped to third place in the 55-meter dash in 2019, behind two transgender runners. With every loss, it gets harder and harder to try again"

"That’s a devastating experience. It tells me that I’m not good enough; that my body isn’t good enough; and that no matter how hard I work, I am unlikely to succeed, because I’m a woman.

That experience is why three of my fellow female athletes and I filed a lawsuit last year with Alliance Defending Freedom against the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference (CIAC): because girls and women shouldn’t be stripped of their right to fair competition."

USA Today.

BC’s Twitter feed getting a bit of aggro from people very unhappy that they’re pushing membership and freebies and not addressing this issue.

That's horrific.

Thanks, OP, I'm not at all au fait with the sports issues! Nor the testosterone issues - thanks for the link.

Why dont they refuse to race? Would they be breaking a contract. I would find it hard to compete knowing that a man may take the placr of another female conpetitor just because be has changed one aspe t of his biological chemistry

I've heard that British Cycling has banned women cyclists from commenting on this, threatening exclusion from future competitions if they don't comply.

OMFG if that's true. Are male cyclists also banned from talking about it, or is that sex-based discrimination?

[quote girasol]And so it continues….
Fears for future of female sport as transgender cyclist rides in

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/11533398-af91-11ec-8b8c-0207c0fd6104?shareToken=2a3f87a55e25652043a6b9deb1a6eb89[/quote]
there's literally one, yall are really good at making mountains out of molehills, there's o n e

Jessica747

How many males in women’s sport are too many for you then?

I’ll start if you like. It’s one. One male in women’s sport is too many.

" I’ve lost four women’s state championship titles, two all-New England awards, and numerous other spots on the podium to transgender runners. I was bumped to third place in the 55-meter dash in 2019, behind two transgender runners. With every loss, it gets harder and harder to try again"

Note that USA Today edited Chelsea Mitchell's piece after publication, removing all uses of "male" and replacing with something trans-based to make it look like she was complaining about transgender/transwomen athletes.

The first two bits originally read:

I’ll never know how my own college recruitment was impacted by losing those four state championship titles to a male. When colleges looked at my record, they didn’t see the fastest girl in Connecticut. They saw a second- or third-place runner.

I’ve lost four women’s state championship titles, two all-New England awards, and numerous other spots on the podium to male runners. I was bumped to third place in the 55-meter dash in 2019, behind two male runners. With every loss, it gets harder and harder to try again.

there's literally one, yall are really good at making mountains out of molehills, there's o n e

As if one incidence of total unfairness, misogyny or gaslighting is fine.

Is it fine if just one person steals your purse? Hits you? Defrauds you? Is it fine if just one sex offender says he's female and gets into your hospital ward, prison cell or changing room, and rapes or murders you? But it was just one? Just one can destroy a woman's career in her chosen sport. Why doesn't she matter?

Also there's not just one, as we predicted this is taking off in multiple sports and will take over if it's not stopped - of course it will because males stand to benefit a LOT, and be champions when they wouldn't have been otherwise.

And also by saying it's just one, you are admitting it's an issue. Just saying we should shut up and tolerate it because it's not the norm. So you are actually saying, if it was the norm, it wouldn't be OK and we could object? So where's the cut off? How many times does this have to happen before we would have a point, according to you?

@NecessaryScene

" I’ve lost four women’s state championship titles, two all-New England awards, and numerous other spots on the podium to transgender runners. I was bumped to third place in the 55-meter dash in 2019, behind two transgender runners. With every loss, it gets harder and harder to try again"

Note that USA Today edited Chelsea Mitchell's piece after publication, removing all uses of "male" and replacing with something trans-based to make it look like she was complaining about transgender/transwomen athletes.

The first two bits originally read:

I’ll never know how my own college recruitment was impacted by losing those four state championship titles to a male. When colleges looked at my record, they didn’t see the fastest girl in Connecticut. They saw a second- or third-place runner.

I’ve lost four women’s state championship titles, two all-New England awards, and numerous other spots on the podium to male runners. I was bumped to third place in the 55-meter dash in 2019, behind two male runners. With every loss, it gets harder and harder to try again.

Thank you for pointing it out. that makes it even worse.....(I do feel despair at times like these)

Raised in the HoC. (By a Labour MP, astonishingly. Thank you Tonia Antoniazzi)

twitter.com/anyabike/status/1509129787503259653

The picture of Emily Bridges with the men's team is so interesting because I think the question has to be - what is wrong with that? Why shouldn't she race with other male competitors then pop on a blouse or skirt afterwards and go and live her best life? The arguments against seem to be a) this doesn't validate her identity- to which the simple answer is surely changing terminology of the categories (open/closed or whatever) and b) cross-sex hormones mean she will no longer be competitive against other males. More tricky, I guess - but trans men will never be competitive with males in most sports and can't continue to compete in the closed category if taking T. So for athletes maybe there is a trade-off and a choice to be made about what is most important, maybe delaying elements of transition to the end of a sporting career, or competing in lower leagues. No female competitor will have the right to take cross-sex hormones and compete at elite level, so there is clear inequity in assuming the default must be in favour of male competitors who do this.

Well done that LabourP

MP

How many times does this have to happen before we would have a point, according to you?

I believe there isn't such a number, and we progress seamlessly from "Why are you making a fuss, there's only one/a couple/a few..." to "they have been doing this for ages, why are you complaining now?"

@Jessica747 “there's literally one, yall are really good at making mountains out of molehills, there's o n e”
Are TRA’s literally incapable of debating the issue without lying and gaslighting at every turn? It’s an ironically damning indictment of their position if so.
Here you go @Jessica747, this was posted higher up the thread and is just a snapshot of the many male bodied athletes who are cheating women out of sporting success (13 featured here by my quick count, and the author is focusing on press coverage of trans sportspeople by reference to a few examples, not attempting to come up with a comprehensive list.)

I mean, you didn’t even have to do any independent research, just RTFT But TRAs aren’t known for their evidence-based approach now are they, no just stick to the DARVO Jessica, straight out of the playbook.

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@Mumtofourandnomore

My teenage daughter has just started playing ladies hockey - a trans women scored three goals past them a couple of weeks ago, they were so strong and fast, it was grossly unfair. My daughter was gutted at the end, she said the game was pointless.

My other daughter rides downhill at regional level, I’d be horrified if a male rode in her category. She already has to compete in a sport where the ratio of men to women is about 30:1 - they all ride the same track and it already requires bravery and confidence to practice and race alongside the men. I can barely believe that British Cycling would support men actually taking over her female category too !

I think, I say with bitter cynicism, that the instructions you are 'supposed' to give her is that she should be celebrating her opportunity to be a useful backdrop to the wonderful winning experience for a very vulnerable male person, and she can have counselling to learn better to lay back and think of Stonewall.

But frankly, what mother would not say fuck that, this is not the world I am handing my daughter and she was not born to be a bloody service animal.

The limit of respecting someone's gender identity is their lack of respect for other people's sex based rights.

FFS the fucking monitors are out in full force

"Full force" isn't really what springs to mind when I see "arguments" that are so obviously untrue and illogical, and they don't even respond to being challenged on them.