Nancy Kelley feels like she’s living in a looking-glass world

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NK on Twitter saying ‘rape and sexual assault are real, not winning arguments.’ She doesn’t think people should ‘weaponise’ them as rhetorical devices. NK is experiencing a ‘trauma response’ because women are saying they feel threatened by being forced to share their spaces with males who are or claim to be transitioning.

With every sympathy for her with regards to any violence she has experienced, that is not what women who disagree with her are doing (making rhetorical arguments). Laws are supposed to cover hypothetical situations. Risk assessments are supposed to cover hypothetical situations. We are allowed to say the prospect of a certain change to the law - in our opinion - increases the risk posed to us of a certain harm. We are allowed to say we don’t agree with her underlying premise that we share any meaningful features with the people she chooses to offer all her sympathy to.

We will keep saying it until people listen.

NK on Twitter saying ‘rape and sexual assault are real, not winning arguments.’ She doesn’t think people should ‘weaponise’ them as rhetorical devices. NK is experiencing a ‘trauma response’ because women are saying they feel threatened by being forced to share their spaces with males who are or claim to be transitioning.

Trauma informed compassion seems to be enlisted for only certain groups. Others have their trauma increased (Clare Dimyon and her treatment by her trust come to mind).

This is just gaslighting. What a piece of work that woman is.

Whenever anyone has ever bothered to ask the actual female service users, a majority have said that they don't want to share accommodation or counselling services with any males.

Yes, this is “exclusive female same sex attraction is sexual racism” NK (not a direct quote).

Another irregular verb?

I experience trauma responses
You are weaponising as a rhetorical device
They should reframe their trauma

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Whenever anyone has ever bothered to ask the actual female service users, a majority have said that they don't want to share accommodation or counselling services with any males.

Shonagh Dillon's PhD was very clear on that matter to the distressing point that it seemed very odd that Stonewall's report of those surveys was very much in contradistinction to the information she collated when interviewing the people involved.

‘#TERF/Bigot/Transphobe’ – ‘We found the witch, burn her!’

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4287881-Congratulations-Shonagh-Dillon-for-Defending-Your-PhD-TERF-Bigot-Transphobe-We-found-the-witch-burn-her?msgid=108769551

NK knows her days as a respected public figure are numbered. The scam is being uncovered

Laws are supposed to cover hypothetical situations. Risk assessments are supposed to cover hypothetical situations

Its not hypothetical. Women have been raped and assaulted in this country directly as a result of the move from sex segregation to gender segregation. And they have been in other countries. And they will continue to be. NK is right. They are real. They are not arguments. They are actual evidence of the implications of the policy shift NK is advocating for.

If it traumatises NK to have that pointed out, she should perhaps question if her conscious is telling her something.

@NecessaryScene

Another irregular verb?

I experience trauma responses
You are weaponising as a rhetorical device
They should reframe their trauma

It's a world totally of her own making.

NK knows her days as a respected public figure are numbered.

I strongly suspect, however, that the network of those on the NGO carousel is so entrenched that this will not be a barrier to NK being appointed to several high-profile posts with enviable remuneration packages in the future. After all, Ruth Hunt has been elevated to the HoL (iirc) and holds a number of valuable posts so I see no reason why NK doesn't have a reasonable expectation of the same.

There are people who are positively rewarded for acting within the culture of impunity that they inhabit.

@NecessaryScene

Another irregular verb?

I experience trauma responses
You are weaponising as a rhetorical device
They should reframe their trauma

Brilliantly put!

Lifelong

No, but when we do want to discuss hypotheticals it’s fine. The law needs to cover them. Talking about positive and adverse implications is what we do when we make laws.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This is just gaslighting. What a piece of work that woman is.

Absolutely, what is she doing here other then weaponising her trauma?

So other women talking about their trauma is weaponising it, and it's brought on a trauma response in Nancy, so we should not talk about it?

What if we say Nancy is weaponising her trauma response? I mean, I'd never be so fucking callous, but it does beg the question.

My rape experiences are not fucking rhetorical, Nancy. HTH.

Well welcome to the fucking club Nancy!!

If I remember when NK was appointed she wanted to defuse the toxicity - how’s that working out Nancy?

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/27/stonewall-new-boss-gender-transgender-rights-nancy-kelley

The tweets:

🧵cw: sexual assault
As a survivor, there are days (yesterday, today) where I get overwhelmed by the volume of anti-trans bile that weaponises rape and sexual assault as a rhetorical device, or a radicalising tactic. Rape and sexual assault are real, often devastating harms...1/4

..not 'winning arguments'. It feels like living in a looking glass world. Every rapist who hurt me was a cis, straight man. That's the norm of course. And yet social media is jammed full of people blaring hypersexualised alarms about trans women...2/4

...and trying to trigger threat responses towards trans women for crimes overwhelmingly committed by cis men. Its been years since I've had significant trauma reactions. Now? Its like the old days - vivid nightmares, shaky days - and I know I'm not alone😔. 3/4

My heart breaks for trans people who are the target of this wave of hate every day. Finally (just because I know this thread will make some people happy!🤯) I'm not going anywhere, am MORE than up for the fight, and am #LWithTheT all the way 🙂🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈.'

I've been exposed to a transwoman masturbating in a toilet, as a teenage girl. Is it 'weaponising' to talk about that, Nancy? Or should I just shut up like a good girl?

And your thread won't make anyone happy. I am sorry for your experiences, and I hope that you can understand the strength of feeling of other survivors and why women are so worried, concerned, anxious, furious and tenacious on the subject of safeguarding and women's safety.

So if I was attacked how would I know if my attacker was a “cis straight man”? Would that not be presuming their gender identity based on their appearance? What if they were NB? What if they were pansexual? how would I know just by looking?

Aww she's come over all Laurie Penny

Did she forget her tinkly little laugh?

Nancy K is one highly manipulative individual.

Rightsraptor: She really is.

So it’s ok to talk about “cis straight rapists” then? That’s not ‘weaponising your trauma’ to try to shut down debate, right? 🤔

I’m sorry for what NK has suffered and she has my genuine sympathy, but she’s losing the battle and she knows it - hence her increasingly manipulative tactics. We all react to trauma in different ways and it’s not up to Nancy to decide what the right way is. She might be happy with people of the male sex in female toilets and refuges, but many women aren’t. Other women’s rights aren’t yours to give away, Nancy.

Your No Debate strategy has come back to bite you in the behind, and rather than ponder why, you’ve doubled down on your insults (Nazis and racists), and are quite happy to throw away not just women’s rights but to redefine homosexuality. So yes, I will talk about my trauma and yes I will put forward my arguments. No Debate is over.

My heart breaks for trans people

But not for women, eh?

It's quite telling there's not even a token glimmer of sympathy towards other women who've suffered rape or abuse.