what is the difference between trans ideology and male supremacy?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I googled male supremacy today

the core of it is strict adherence to gender roles.

belief that women use feminism to oppress men.

male supremacists reduce women to their reproductive function.

male supremacist groups propagate conspiracies that build a narrative of victimhood at the hands of movements for equality.

belief that men are entitled to a place in society that is superior to women, who are biologically and intellectually inferior.

Honestly after reading all that I see no difference, am I mad not to see a difference? or are we really in 1984?

Wow! That only took 3 minutes!

Ovahere, did you turn round three times while chanting 'MRA, MRA, MRA' (alla Candyman) or is there a different spell?

The Stonewall mantra “acceptance without exception” used to sound innocent enough to me.

Then came a certain court case. A female prisoner who’d allegedly been assaulted in prison by a trans woman, requested that women should have the right not be locked up with trans women who’d been convicted of violent or sexual offences against women. She lost her case.

On Twitter, I saw a couple of masks slip as “feminist” trans activists welcomed the result. There was endless whataboutery, e.g. “what about male prison guards who sexually harass women?” and some deflection e.g. “it’s wrong to judge trans people by the actions of a few” (true, but that wasn’t the question). These two feminists just couldn’t bring themselves to say that a female victim of sexual assault should be prioritised above her male attacker. In fact, they wanted the opposite.

trans ideology doesn't promote strict adherence to gender roles.

It does nothing but adhere to gender roles. If you don't feel like you fit in one box, well, you must have to jam yourself in the other one.
As opposed to say, saying these boxes are bullshit, who cares.

Getting one group of women to completely demonise and dehumanise another group of women, and furthermore calling it “feminism”, was an absolute master stroke of MRA activism. If women were all on board with opposing the TRA agenda, it would be a very different picture we’d be looking at now. The age old divide and conquer. This is the patriarchy in action.

So true.

Five minutes on the AIBU, Chat and Relationships boards (or a five minute search for MiL threads will do it too) will show that there are always going to be female people who

• have an ingrained, trained belief that male people are more valuable than female people - and get their head pats and sense of purpose from being a male facilitator. (Penis portions, value in self sacrificing, male person may be a total abusive bastard who tried to throttle you but maybe he's depressed, go and give him a hug and tell him you're sorry your throat hurt his hands - I WISH I was kidding)

• Female people who have a grim kind of masochistic satisfaction or personal need met out of trying to bully other females into being doormats (explained on one relationship thread by one female as that having been bullied and made miserable for years by her MiL she was damned if other females were going to escape and be allowed to say no - largely it made her question her acceptance of her own abuse too much)

• female people who get a bit silly and sentimental and patronising over males that they perceive as vulnerable and like the feeling of mummying them

When you belong to a powerless group, you learn to grab your power where you can. You see all this plain as day in female politicians who have been allowed up the ranks to win at the game of Patriarchy by being good girls who make no scary noises and always virtue signal how very, very male centric and Naice they are. Sadly it means the massive majority of them are no bloody use nor ornament in representing the female sex.

And this is again, why for the female sex, it is bloody crucial that we do NOT stop talking about female rights and the clash with gender ideology in blunt terms regarding VAWG, DA/DV, abusive and toxic relationships, boundaries, consent, bodily autonomy, privacy and dignity, the voices and 'lived experience' unique to those members of the female sex, child protection and family court systems and all those problems, contact issues, wider family relationships when they all go horribly wrong....

for the female sex these are ALL pieces of the same jigsaw.

@Cattenberg

The Stonewall mantra “acceptance without exception” used to sound innocent enough to me.

Then came a certain court case. A female prisoner who’d allegedly been assaulted in prison by a trans woman, requested that women should have the right not be locked up with trans women who’d been convicted of violent or sexual offences against women. She lost her case.

On Twitter, I saw a couple of masks slip as “feminist” trans activists welcomed the result. There was endless whataboutery, e.g. “what about male prison guards who sexually harass women?” and some deflection e.g. “it’s wrong to judge trans people by the actions of a few” (true, but that wasn’t the question). These two feminists just couldn’t bring themselves to say that a female victim of sexual assault should be prioritised above her male attacker. In fact, they wanted the opposite.

fox in the hen house.

what will it take for people to stop kidding themselves they cant see their being any problem with that.

I fear its going to be like pedophiles, every so often theres a big news story about some scandal in a school, church, childrens home etc, much history coming to light, failings and people saying lessons will be learned, then it all sinks into the background again, just one of those things and the lessons never are learned are they, nothing ever changes peado prince, clergy, judges, politicians same old same old.

@Artichokeleaves

Five minutes on the AIBU, Chat and Relationships boards (or a five minute search for MiL threads will do it too) will show that there are always going to be female people who

• have an ingrained, trained belief that male people are more valuable than female people - and get their head pats and sense of purpose from being a male facilitator. (Penis portions, value in self sacrificing, male person may be a total abusive bastard who tried to throttle you but maybe he's depressed, go and give him a hug and tell him you're sorry your throat hurt his hands - I WISH I was kidding)

• Female people who have a grim kind of masochistic satisfaction or personal need met out of trying to bully other females into being doormats (explained on one relationship thread by one female as that having been bullied and made miserable for years by her MiL she was damned if other females were going to escape and be allowed to say no - largely it made her question her acceptance of her own abuse too much)

• female people who get a bit silly and sentimental and patronising over males that they perceive as vulnerable and like the feeling of mummying them

When you belong to a powerless group, you learn to grab your power where you can. You see all this plain as day in female politicians who have been allowed up the ranks to win at the game of Patriarchy by being good girls who make no scary noises and always virtue signal how very, very male centric and Naice they are. Sadly it means the massive majority of them are no bloody use nor ornament in representing the female sex.

Well I had an abusive ex, I tried to keep my head down and stay on his good side for self preservation, I wouldnt call it love, but if someone keeps telling you that you are worthless shit who would get no where without them you start thinking they are right and fear losing them because that means you will be homeless and no one will give you a job, you wont get benefits because why would they give you anything?, and everyone will clock you and sus that your a worthless freak.

and I spent ages reading about mental health to try and rationalise what the hell was going on, that had to be a reason why he was behaving like that and treating me like that, normal people dont do that, it helps to rationalise its him, not me thats the problem.

I can fully understand mental conditioning, its very hard to get out, its like you've been handed a menu but the list of options for starters, mains, drinks etc keeps getting smaller and smaller, but you know there was more options there before but you cant for the life of you remember what they were, so your stuck with the menu you have with its ever decreasing list of choices.

victims are victims its hard to get unbrainwashed, especially if you have not experienced anything from outside, I dont mean people telling you things or showing you proof, I mean personal experience, so dont be too hard on them.

IMO feminism is the conscious and deliberate process of unlearning that socialisation, and replacing it with assertiveness. Thats why its so unpopular with men, and why women find it off putting or frightening.

A skirt.