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Former Trans Child of Gender Critical Parents (very long). *Trigger warning - descriptions of self harm and suicide* - Title edited by MNHQ

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pop91 · 26/03/2022 22:33

Hi,

To start I wanna say I'm writing this post in good faith to provide the viewpoint of a Trans person with Gender Critical parents but I know this is the internet and this will probably just be trolled to death but here goes.

I had a pretty regular 'happy' family setup, and apparently first told my parents of my identity at just 5yrs old but the first I remember is at 8yrs old when I refused to go by my 'very gendered' birth name but my parents insisted on using it especially publicly.

My parents were never particularly strict on gender roles in the home - my sister would wear my dad's glasses and jacket and stomp around with his briefcase in hand and my brother had an emo phase with heels and mascara to match and apart from some grumbling from my father it was never the biggest issue in our house.

Sexuality was different though even though my father would class himself as a pragmatic centrist, barring a socialist university phase, and my mother a card-carrying progressive New Labour type whose Best Friend was the most flamboyant gay man and an Aunt who lived with her 'friend' until she passed. There was an uncomfortableness with sexuality where both my parents would call it a lifestyle choice and opposed gay marriage - cut to three years ago when my older brother came out as bisexual and last month the youngest sister as a lesbian Grin but rest assured the other 3 siblings remain firmly 'normal.'

Back to me and by 12 I had started puberty and was experiencing debilitating gender dysphoria - I would look into the mirror and see nothing that matched my brain. I would continue to feel this way until the bullying and dysphoria got so bad that one night I climbed into my bathtub with a kitchen knife hoping I could change my body to fit my brain somehow I managed not to perform self-surgery in my bathtub.

A couple of months later I came clean to my parents, I wasn't expecting a big hug but I wasn't expecting what came next. They ignored it as if I had told them what I wanted for dinner, they decided they didn't hear what I had said at all.

Over the next year, the internet became my friend as I found ways to affirm my gender by doing hidden things at first and then slowly more outward things. I came out to my siblings and although they found it confusing my oldest brother and sister were a godsend who I wouldn't have survived without, They helped me pick out a new haircut and new clothes and we came up with a new name.

I came out in school and sure there was bullying but I was feeling so Euphoric that it almost didn't matter. When the teachers found out they informed my parents and that's when everything changed! My parents sat me down and said I was just confused. They threw out my new clothes, anything that I used to affirm my gender, even my shoes and magazines then they took my bedroom door off and took away my laptop and phone and forced my older siblings to refer to me by my birth name, my older brother and sister stopped supporting me and I lost my only family support and anything that was helping me.

Eventually, when they realised everything they had done hadn't worked and I still felt the same way, they decided to try both religious and non-religious conversion therapy which left permanent scarring to my mental health and I frequently have nightmares about it.

At 15 I had my first suicide attempt and my parents forced me to lie and say it was due just to bullying at school but that wasn't true it was the dysphoria and conversion therapy that was killing me.

From 15 to 17 I had multiple suicide attempts and after the third one, my parents finally allowed me to stop the conversion therapy but still forcibly live as my 'biological' sex.

Eventually, I managed to get to a great University and at 18 I socially transitioned and by 20 I had started hormones. I now have a job that provides me financial stability and have an amazing partner, with 2 children from a prior relationship that I now consider like my own. We are also now having a baby very soon.

My mother now describes herself as Gender Critical and frequently posts online about how she will be unable to see her grandchildren because of her views, which is true as I will not allow my parents to see either my child or stepchildren.

My parents continue to refuse to acknowledge my identity and pronouns. The last time we talked, she said she believes I am just gay, which neither makes sense considering my partner's gender nor the fact she also has a terrible relationship with my lesbian sister and bisexual brother who also rarely allows his child to visit my mum, due to her comments about their sexualities.

I finally have the support back of all my siblings and we do frequently gather without my parents. I hope one day my parents change their minds but honestly I don't hold much hope and I don't know if I could forgive what they did to me.

A lot of online trans activists wish trans children for Gender Criticals but I don't, it wasn't very nice at all. If you're going to ask if I think kids should transition, the answer is I don't know as I didn't transition as a child and a social transition helped plenty for me.

Well that's it I think, just the perspective and experience of a trans person with Gender Critical parents, feel free to ask any reasonable questions or respectful questions. Smile

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Helleofabore · 27/03/2022 09:39

I have not read the full thread yet. There is a lot of confusion in this OP and in the subsequent posts.

However I think titchy got it in one.

That's the difficult thing when people identify as something - often they're not the thing they identity as.

It is certainly apparent on this thread. That is the very issue with forcing open the definition of words so the word/s can be applied to just anyone. Those words lose meaning and then are used to describe people as something they are not.

Of course, people can describe themselves as anything. Doesn’t mean they actually are.

PrelateChuckles · 27/03/2022 09:40

Op when you say "it's not helpful to address someone by terms that cause them distress" then tell someone to "fix your brain rot " are you being deliberately unhelpful? Why?

PrelateChuckles · 27/03/2022 09:44

Like if your brain views things a certain way but your eyes view it in another.

There would be a severe impairment in your visual cortex if this was true. Doctors would be working to try and fix it or at least allow your brain to work out what is really there, rather than, for example, spraying everything black so it matches your brain's representation of it.

You seem quite insistent that trans people have impaired brains. Is this something you really believe?

pop91 · 27/03/2022 09:45

@LittleWhingingWoman

Have you informed your transactivist community that sending rape and death threats to women who don't want men in their intimate spaces isn't welcome? It is it just us you want to lecture?
Yes,

have you done the same for the rape and death threats that we get for challenging you on your views?

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ScrollingLeaves · 27/03/2022 09:46

“Eyesofdisarray

Doesn't pregnancy trigger a transman's dysphoria?
Genuine question; wondered for a while..”

I agree, I too have been wondering about whether dysphoria wouldn’t be triggered either when a trans man becomes pregnant, or when a trans woman inseminates a woman? - seeing as these functions are at the heart of the born sexes across all species of mammals.

PrelateChuckles · 27/03/2022 09:49

Op can you stop flinging the "rape" word around please? It's distressing.
Honestly, you'd be better served actually engaging with the questions being asked rather trying to post honestly rather than using this space for opportunities to insult people.

Rinatinabina · 27/03/2022 09:51

Sorry are you saying that gender critical feminists have been threatening to rape people?

northstars · 27/03/2022 09:51

Hello OP, are you really saying you get rape and death threats from gender critical feminists?

Aretina · 27/03/2022 09:53

I have never seen a gender critical person making rape or death threats against a trans person.

Should that happen, I will absolutely condemn it.

PrelateChuckles · 27/03/2022 09:54

@Rinatinabina

Sorry are you saying that gender critical feminists have been threatening to rape people?
Op admitted they don't know what "gender critical" is so presumably any old troll can say "I'm gc" and op believes it because how someone dentifies is what they are, apparently.

They're trying to provide a distraction.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/03/2022 09:54

If I say that a cat is something that looks like a cat, you would probably know what I meant because we already have an accepted definition of a cat. If I say that a pilofin is something that looks like a pilofin, you would be none the wiser because you would still have no idea what a pilofin actually is. You cannot define something in terms of itself.

When you say that a woman is anyone who feels like a woman, or a man is anyone who feels like a man, you are essentially relying on the age old accepted definitions of "man" and "woman" because we all know what these words really mean. On the one hand you are clearly accepting that there is already a shared understanding of what man/woman means. On the other hand, you are rejecting that same definition.

This.

Rinatinabina · 27/03/2022 09:55

Good point

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/03/2022 09:56

In fact as I think this thread may be deleted at some point, I'm going to save @AlexaShutUp's perfectly articulated post.

AlisonDonut · 27/03/2022 09:56

So after reading 256 posts.

If your parents had let you wear dresses, and changed your name, all would be well?

That makes them the exact opposite of Gender Critical.

So I can't really trust that you really know what it is you are talking about.

And stop calling us CIS if you want to go anywhere near us not calling you men or women. We are not subsets of our own sex.

But I cannot get over the N word being offensive but there is no such thing as race. How does someone hold both things in their head at the same time?

Clymene · 27/03/2022 09:57

@ScrollingLeaves

“Eyesofdisarray

Doesn't pregnancy trigger a transman's dysphoria?
Genuine question; wondered for a while..”

I agree, I too have been wondering about whether dysphoria wouldn’t be triggered either when a trans man becomes pregnant, or when a trans woman inseminates a woman? - seeing as these functions are at the heart of the born sexes across all species of mammals.

It's weird isn't it? Especially when someone is so traumatised by the mere idea of their sex, they can't even mention it because it's so triggering.
LosingTheWill2022 · 27/03/2022 10:00

have you done the same for the rape and death threats that we get for challenging you on your views?
@pop91 rape and death threats from gender critical feminists?

I'm not suggesting that I disbelieve trans people get threatened but where is the evidence any of those are from GC feminists? Bearing in mind that you mistakenly categorise your mother as one.

PonyPatter44 · 27/03/2022 10:05

Truthfully, I have never seen rape threats from GC feminist women towards trans people. Sadly, I cannot say the same is true in reverse. Why is that, I wonder?

OP, I am mixed race (white English mother, Indian father). I was brought up entirely English, I don't even speak my father's language. I "feel" English, whatever that means. However when people look at my face they ask me where I am from, what Indian languages I speak, etc. Am I race dysphoric? As much as I feel wholly English, the reality is, I am mixed race and look it. I can deny it all like, but it is real, and I would just look like a fool if I tried to deny it.

OvaHere · 27/03/2022 10:05

Wow OP you stayed up through the whole night to tell us how wrong we are about everything.

You did say you were in the UK, right?

I think this tells us you're not the pregnant one, I've never met a pregnant woman who can stay awake much past 10pm.

Assuming this pregnant mother and her children exist perhaps you should go give them some attention before you end up the subject of an AIBU.

AIBU to be miffed that my partner spent the entire night berating feminists on the internet then had to sleep the entire of Mother's Day leaving me to do all the childcare?

Flammkuchen · 27/03/2022 10:11

Thanks for this. I now believe that humans can change sex and that any male who feels a bit girly can compete in women's sport.

Testingprof · 27/03/2022 10:12

@pop91
“ Imagine if you will that you were a person of colour and of mixed heritage and felt deeply you were a person of colour and of mixed heritage and someone came up to you and insisted you were white and continued to even after you corrected them. And having explained the circumstances they then continued to deny you by saying 'you're actually white passing' you might then find this person to be offensive and disrespectful.”

If you were really a person of mixed heritage you would know the opposite happens all the damn time. Mixed race black with white are constantly told they are black generally by white people. Like I said it’s irritating it’s not painful.

Man isn’t an offensive word so stop equating it to the N word which is a slur.

Nigerian is not an ethnicity. You can be white and Nigerian. I’ve bumped into several white Zimbabweans over the years it’s not brain rot to point that out. The fact you think it is points out once again to me that you are white.

DickKerrLadiesaurus · 27/03/2022 10:14

AIBU to be miffed that my partner spent the entire night berating feminists on the internet then had to sleep the entire of Mother's Day leaving me to do all the childcare?

Can you imagine?! And we're called mean on FWR!

IcakethereforeIam · 27/03/2022 10:15

Just come back and read the end of this thread, I'm thinking different time zone or working in shifts.

SayYouDontMind · 27/03/2022 10:19

This thread has been fascinating. It has certainly laid open your PHENOMENAL misunderstanding/misinterpretation of what you understood 'Gender Critical' to mean. If most of your trans peers share this similar misunderstanding, then that might explain why we're in this fucking mess.

Oh and your parents were plain old-fashioned, religiously fundamentalist homophobes and transphobes and I'm truly sorry you grew up in such a horrible environment.

Hope you're enjoying Mother's day (even though I personally think it's a pile of commercialised shite I won't say no to breakfast in bed!)

And I genuinely hope you've learnt something from this thread.

AlexaShutUp · 27/03/2022 10:22

@IcakethereforeIam

Just come back and read the end of this thread, I'm thinking different time zone or working in shifts.
Or could just mean adhd like me, and incapable of transitioning from one activity to another in a timely manner. Blush

I should have stepped away and gone to sleep last night, but I went down a rabbit hole instead.

PrelateChuckles · 27/03/2022 10:25

This thread has been fascinating. It has certainly laid open your PHENOMENAL misunderstanding/misinterpretation of what you understood 'Gender Critical' to mean. If most of your trans peers share this similar misunderstanding, then that might explain why we're in this fucking mess.

I think that's the take-home message.