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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS booklet promotes prostitution and sex by deception

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IsitM · 13/03/2022 10:07

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10606811/NHS-funded-clinic-promoting-prostitution-way-trans-people-pay-treatment.html

I have seen this booklet, it is dreadful. The fact one of these new ‘gender clinics’ was promoting this is abhorrent. These clinics see teenagers!

Minister Mike Freer was full of praise recently for Dr Michael Brady; Brady is heavily involved with this clinic. Hard to believe he isn’t aware of this booklet.

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PonyPatter44 · 14/03/2022 18:03

This is a hideous and dangerous piece of work. Its suggesting that trsns men put themselves into awful dangerous situations, but its also suggesting that gay men can be conned into sex. Its impressively hateful to everyone!

Datun · 14/03/2022 20:08

@PonyPatter44

This is a hideous and dangerous piece of work. Its suggesting that trsns men put themselves into awful dangerous situations, but its also suggesting that gay men can be conned into sex. Its impressively hateful to everyone!
Yes it is. Just in order to uphold an ideology that benefits a small number of men.
KimikosNightmare · 14/03/2022 21:21

Yes it is. Just in order to uphold an ideology that benefits a small number of men

Sorry but I'm not going to let trans men off the hook. There are trans men pushing this just as hard.

MangyInseam · 14/03/2022 23:21

@KimikosNightmare

That's vile.

An aside but the booklet linked to this

www.prep.scot/

This lists groups who are more likely to be vulnerable to HIV.

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Trans and non-binary people who have condomless penetrative anal or frontal sex may be at increased risk of HIV. PrEP can help to protect you from HIV

Er, isn't anyone who has casual unprotected sex at the same risk?

^Black African women and men
PrEP is used by people who are more at risk of getting HIV. This includes heterosexual men and women from Black African communities^

Eh ? With no explanation? Are Black African people genetically predisposed to be more likely to catch HIV? Isn't this connected to the machismo culture within some black African societies (especially South Africa) of men refusing to wear condoms?

Yeah, it sounds weird but I think this actually makes a bizarre kind of sense when you realize it is from the same people pushing critical theory type approaches in social movements.

They don't differentiate in the same way between causation and correlation - any disparity is seen as an example of systematic repression or discrimination.

It's similar thinking here - if you find that black Africans are statistically more likely to get HIV, there is no attempt to tease out what factors might lead to that, in part because there is this idea that it's stigmatizing or victim blaming.

MoonOnASpoon · 15/03/2022 07:46

those who are entrenched in the ideological thinking fully believe they are on the right side of history and nothing one of the sacred group of activists and allies do could be wrong

I totally agree with this and I think what happens is that if you have doubts, you will probably self-censor immediately, thinking that makes you a prude, a bigot or an old fusty who doesn’t understand the young people of today and shouldn’t be involved in materials for them. It’s the idea that those affected should have a say, inflated to the point where no one else can have a say and concerns like “this is harmful so the NHS shouldn’t promote it” can be shouted down easily.

At best, anyone with concerns will have just backed away in order to keep their job.

ResisterRex · 16/03/2022 09:30

There appear to be links between CliniQ and Brady?

www.kch.nhs.uk/news/public/news/view/28647 (2019)
Dr Michael Brady, Consultant in Sexual Health and HIV at King’s College Hospital and National Advisor for LGBT Health at NHS England said, “On Trans Visibility Day (31 Marchh_), I am very proud to announce the new service that we will deliver in partnership with cliniQ. Although the focus of our service will be on sexual health, we recognise that trans and non-binary people are disproportionally affected by health inequalities and a range of potential physical, psychological and social problems. As such we will adopt a holistic approach combining health and wellbeing services to help improve mental health, self-esteem and reducing isolation. A holistic approach to trans health also plays a key part in reducing vulnerability to HIV acquisition.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/15/fears-flawed-nhs-single-sex-wards-review-carried-trans-advocate/ (today)

The NHS review into single-sex wards is being carried out by a "trans advocate" who has said that rules that allow patients to self-identify their gender will not be changed, The Telegraph can reveal.

Dr Michael Brady, the national adviser for LGBT health at NHS England, has written to campaign groups telling them that there is “no plan to reduce existing rights of trans people”. Controversial charities Stonewall and Mermaids had contributed “very helpfully” to the process, Dr Brady told the Trans NHS Staff Network in emails seen by The Telegraph.

CanIPleaseHaveOne · 16/03/2022 12:08

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Entitled Cruising: A Trans Guy’s Guide To The Gay Sex Scene, it advises readers to circumvent men-only restrictions at gay saunas by only performing sex acts ‘without others seeing your genitals’. Experts warned doing so would be committing the crime of sex by deception.

I'm missing something here, clearly. Trans men are men, right? Why would other men have a problem with seeing their genitals?

circumvent men-only restrictions at gay saunas by only performing sex acts

What????

Circumventing women only restrictions by changing laws by stealth.

Circumventing men only restrictions by.....giving blow jobs? Hmm

IsitM · 16/03/2022 12:31

Very close links between Brady and Mike Freer (GEO) too; Freer was singing Brady's praises at the recent Westminster Hall debate on GRA reform.

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EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 16/03/2022 12:46

Urgh. So very penis-orientated - the entire movement I mean.

I understand that all bodies are different, but my “front hole” isn’t my vagina. I have in my time however met several men who would claim a woman has only two holes.

The most memorable one has Amazingly Good Parent written all over him.

As for frontal sex… or as I like to term it “sex”, if any of you are in heterosexual relationships how about you text your partner right now to ask if he fancies frontal sex? I’d wager you’d get “eh?” As a response.

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