NHS booklet promotes prostitution and sex by deception

[IsitM]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10606811/NHS-funded-clinic-promoting-prostitution-way-trans-people-pay-treatment.html

I have seen this booklet, it is dreadful. The fact one of these new ‘gender clinics’ was promoting this is abhorrent. These clinics see teenagers!

Minister Mike Freer was full of praise recently for Dr Michael Brady; Brady is heavily involved with this clinic. Hard to believe he isn’t aware of this booklet.

I am going to wait for the usual suspects to turn up to defend this….

I read the leaflet and kept going from "I just can't believe this" to "yes I can, it fits with the ideology". And to and fro over and over. Then re-reading it to check I had actually just read those state-sponsored words.

I agree, we are failing young girls badly. Catastrophically, even.

Another one that I see often is 'defiantly', instead of 'definitely'.

Annoying, but can actually be quite funny sometimes when it changes the whole meaning of the sentence.

Ooops.

Wrong thread

Front hole this, front hole that. It's so misogynistic.

I agree with you about that typo, WheresthatCat it often is inadvertently amusing.

While reading that, I was wondering what the backlash would have been if it has been aimed at transwomen.

So trans men can expect to be attacked if they hide the fact that they are transmen. Why are they having to hide the fact that they were born female?- they should be accepted easily just as it is expected for transwomen.

I dont understand why it is so easily accepted that transmen have to hide the fact, and shouldn't expect to be accepted at a gay club?- it definitely isnt the same the other way around.

Theres no way it would be openly stated that transwomen should hide that they are transwomen, or expect to be attacked.

The 3 local authorities who contributed to funding the production of that absolute shite were Lambeth, Southwark & Lewisham.

Unless the clinic only provides care for people from those Boroughs, I cannot help but feel they could perhaps focus their limited finances for supporting their underprivileged populations on things like trying to keep children fed. Or if they want to keep money in health services, they could look at, for example, allowing wheelchair services to move beyond Computer Says No; or investing further in maternity services to try to improve outcomes for black mothers; or making podiatry more widely available to diabetics

The 3 local authorities who contributed to funding the production of that absolute shite were Lambeth, Southwark & Lewisham

No surprises there.

It's "absolute shite" in so many different ways; not least the embarrassing "down wiv the yoof" vulgar language.

we are failing young girls badly. Catastrophically, even

That booklet is utterly utterly heartbreaking. That poor messed up young trans men with photos of them being subjected to what can only be called abuse by a man. Being treated like an animal. This is horrific that those photos are being used to promote anything.

I want to weep for all our young teens and people being subjected to a relentless onslaught of being told to hate the body they’re born with. And to despise those that continue to proselytise and promote the myth that it’s easy to change sex and doing so will solve all your issues.

Awful awful advice. Thank goodness the alliance stuck up for these vulnerable people.
And with all that's gone on how is it that the NHS has magicked up a trans only clinic when people women are consistently being told that trans people women are the same sex as they say they are and by this they mean female . If that's the case then a trans clinic isn't necessary. Craziness all around.

@DrBlackbird

we are failing young girls badly. Catastrophically, even

That booklet is utterly utterly heartbreaking. That poor messed up young trans men with photos of them being subjected to what can only be called abuse by a man. Being treated like an animal. This is horrific that those photos are being used to promote anything.

I want to weep for all our young teens and people being subjected to a relentless onslaught of being told to hate the body they’re born with. And to despise those that continue to proselytise and promote the myth that it’s easy to change sex and doing so will solve all your issues.

The photos are awful but aren't they all posed by the trans men in the group photo at the top of the leaflet?

I really can't see anyone born and socialised as a woman wanting to get involved with the sex scene described in this booklet!

My elderly father-in-law is waiting for a knee operation but the waiting list is extremely long after Covid. I wonder if the NHS has advised him to prostitute himself to pay for it?

all posed by the trans men

I don’t want to look at them again but it is absolutely clear that one is a biological male. For example, the one male holding the young trans male by the collar from behind and where the young trans man is kneeling in front of the same powerfully built - what seemed to me - clearly biological male. If that person is trans then no need to kneel at his crotch presumably given that they’re not lesbians.

@DrBlackbird

all posed by the trans men

I don’t want to look at them again but it is absolutely clear that one is a biological male. For example, the one male holding the young trans male by the collar from behind and where the young trans man is kneeling in front of the same powerfully built - what seemed to me - clearly biological male. If that person is trans then no need to kneel at his crotch presumably given that they’re not lesbians.

I don't think there is a biological male.

I think that's the trans man on the extreme right of the group photo. The chin beard is the same on all photos. Presumably the implication is there is a penis there? And even if there wasn't, that position doesn't rule out oral sex on what they charmingly call a cock?

On another aside

Injecting: hormones or drugs
Some trans guys self-inject with hormones. Some of us inject drugs like
crystal meth, mephedrone or heroin. If you do inject, be sure not to share
needles or equipment with anyone.
Sharing injecting equipment (syringes spoons, needles, water) can increase
the risk for hep C and HIV. If you are snorting drugs, sharing straws or rolled
up banknotes is also a risk for hep B and hep C

That's all they have to say? Remember to use clean needles?

" finger, fist, suck or fuck without showing your genitals"

Shocking, how did that ever get released.

How did it get released? It would have taken someone with the zeal of an ex-poster who kept telling us they were a sex educator for young people to convince someone who had the remit to communicate health and safety to this group.

We saw in live demonstrations just how little those people that claim the job title sex educator actually knew about safeguarding and what was needed for our teens. And just how entrenched they were in this ideology complete to ‘no kink shaming’.

And I am sure some staff will have been horrified but know that if they said anything they would lose their jobs.

It doesn’t surprise me anymore to see this stuff comes out. The fear around speaking out about the ‘sacred’ group is huge.

And those who are entrenched in the ideological thinking fully believe they are on the right side of history and nothing one of the sacred group of activists and allies do could be wrong. Again, we see that all over FWR threads.

And how many have come to defend this action? None. They know, but if they ignore things like this they can still convince themselves there is nothing to see here.

those who are entrenched in the ideological thinking fully believe they are on the right side of history and nothing one of the sacred group of activists and allies do could be wrong

Absolutely this ^^

Proselytising on social media by ideological adherents and social media platforms happy for the clicks are one thing. But those that ought to have our children’s best interests in mind - educators and health professionals - are utterly failing. The more email pronouns I see, the less hopeful I feel for our young people’s future. It’s almost impossible now to say anything to counter this mindset. All they have to do is yell ‘bigot’ and that’s the end of the discussion.

Surely they’re male vulvas and therefore no man should have a problem with that. I mean TMAM

Actually using correct names for genitalia seems to be triggering for transmen. That seems to be why “vagina” is “front hole”, clitoris is a “T-dick” if on testosterone or alternatively a “natal dick”.

The denial of reality is next-level

"Front hole" is just so dehumanising...

nolongersurprised

So what you are saying is the whole reason people are insisting on us being vagina havers is false. We are ‘fronthole havers’ now?

Yeah, I can see why they wouldn’t want that known on any level. It shows up much about the movement that they would want to remain hidden.

It seems that transwomen have vaginas, even if just their “outie vaginas” (aka a penis), women are “bodies with vaginas” and transmen have “front holes”.

What the fucking fuck.

I'm really sick of this and angry today. How can they not see what they're doing, the links with females being degraded and used, the general misogyny of it all?

Prostitute your body. The one you hate because it's "wrong". Make sure you hide it. Then hand over your money that you've made to have body parts cut off, be made sexually functionless and infertile, and weakened so that you'll need medical treatment your whole life(which will probably be shortened). Congratulations, you are a wonderful supercool transman dude, let's celebrate!

Oh and men, actual men, have a front hole too. Keep trying.