Does anyone else find the " " in this description to be odd?

TheCurrywurstPrion · 12/03/2022 06:36

That is a little odd. I thought perhaps they were going to say that “young woman” was a quote from the victim, but there was nothing further to indicate why the quotation marks were there.

They then used “woman” throughout the article without them, so perhaps that indicates it was the “young” part that was in question?

They did go on to give the age as 20-30, which (in my opinion) is not particularly young at the top end of the range, but those quotation marks are still a strange stylistic choice without further comment.

Perhaps it’s one of those things someone did, with the intention of explaining further, but then forgot, and the editor didn’t pick up on?

Clymene · 12/03/2022 06:44

Here's another one for the 'this never happens' files: www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/drinker-kicked-out-pub-paraded-26441912

TheCurrywurstPrion · 12/03/2022 06:55

Good grief, Clymene, they left mention of the ladypeen until seriously late in that article.

Clymene · 12/03/2022 06:57

@TheCurrywurstPrion

Good grief, Clymene, they left mention of the ladypeen until seriously late in that article.

Scotland innit? Where we have to pretend that women do this sort of shit

334bu · 12/03/2022 06:59

I wonder if the reference to a grey wig was another clue.

SchoolFraud · 12/03/2022 07:03

It's not Scotland? Stoke-on-Trent is midlands.

Clymene · 12/03/2022 07:10

@SchoolFraud

It's not Scotland? Stoke-on-Trent is midlands.

Doh! Don't know why I thought it was Scotland. Sorry!

ResisterRex · 12/03/2022 10:22

The Mail had this with pictures, about which I offer no comment:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10603495/Police-hunt-young-woman-red-fishnet-tights-sexually-assaulted-boy-13-Primark.html

IcakethereforeIam · 12/03/2022 12:29

This is bloody serious, an adult sexually assaulted a child! It seems they haven't caught the perpetrator, inaccurate and/or incomplete reporting will not help. They are pandering to the feelings of a criminal or to people who value those feelings over the safety of the public. I hope the kid's okay and they get the article responsible.

BruceAndNosh · 12/03/2022 12:39

Surely rather than writing "woman" (which they don't seem to be), it would be better just to say "person" if journalistic guidelines forbid them from saying "man"
I think we would grasp their meaning

viques · 12/03/2022 12:45

[quote Clymene]Here's another one for the 'this never happens' files: www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/drinker-kicked-out-pub-paraded-26441912[/quote]
So throwing a glass, throwing a shoe, spitting at numerous people, kicking a door off its hinges , punching people in the chest and verbally abusing people are all understandable behaviours if someone is “cruel” to you by asking you to leave a bar where you are disobeying social distancing guidance and behaving provocatively. Heaven help us all if they get really upset about something really mean like a parking ticket.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2022 12:52

[quote Clymene]Here's another one for the 'this never happens' files: www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/drinker-kicked-out-pub-paraded-26441912[/quote]
There's an excellent post under that article that sums up the views of our clueless political parties:
Keir Starmer says this guy is a woman if he says he's a woman. Nicola Sturgeon says this guy is a woman if he says he's a woman. You can be expelled from the SNP and the Labour, Lib Dem and Green parties and possibly sacked if you say this guy is a man. This is the reality of self-ID. No wonder real feminists are fighting it

VelvetChairGirl · 12/03/2022 13:04

why dont they just say trans women, or a young woman possibly a trans woman.

how does this help a police investigation if they can not give accurate descriptions of the suspects they are trying to find?

BootsAndRoots · 12/03/2022 13:12

The CCTV footage is grainy, and I think the description is valid because if you just glanced at the person, you'd probably think it was a woman (I'm just guessing from the grainy footage), but probably if you were nearby you'd know the truth.

Perhaps "person dressed as a woman" may be a better description?

DomesticatedZombie · 12/03/2022 13:16

'“She raised her dress up and lowered her pants to reveal a penis and continued to walk 40 feet with the penis exposed. This occurred in public view. Members of the public appeared shocked by the defendant’s actions.'

Somanysocks · 12/03/2022 13:16

It's got to the point that any article where a person is showing violent, sexual or odd behaviour in public, I now assume it's a bloke regardless of the wording.

Women (actual women, not pretend women) just don't act like this.

NippyWoowoo · 12/03/2022 13:24

@334bu

I wonder if the reference to a grey wig was another clue.

My thoughts. And though I am a tall woman myself with big hands, I noticed her hands look large in the very blurry photo.

donquixotedelamancha · 12/03/2022 13:26

From the OP's article:

She was wearing red fishnet tights, a striped top and a grey wig when the incident occurred.

I think OP is right and the quotes from the police description are the only way they can state the facts under the press guidelines. Even referring to 'her' as a person rather than a woman would possibly get them in shit.

KittenKong · 12/03/2022 13:30

@Somanysocks

It's got to the point that any article where a person is showing violent, sexual or odd behaviour in public, I now assume it's a bloke regardless of the wording.

Women (actual women, not pretend women) just don't act like this.

Yes. That’s is correct. I read a piece today about a woman who had been thrown out of a pub for bad behaviour and who then went on to expose herself in the street. She her she her - all through… until the penultimate para where it was stated that she pulled up her pink dress and exposed her penis… duh.

KittenKong · 12/03/2022 13:32

@donquixotedelamancha

From the OP's article:

She was wearing red fishnet tights, a striped top and a grey wig when the incident occurred.

I think OP is right and the quotes from the police description are the only way they can state the facts under the press guidelines. Even referring to 'her' as a person rather than a woman would possibly get them in shit.

How can the police possibly guess how this person chooses to describe their gender. I’m pretty sure 99% of the people who saw them would be able to identify their sex. Until the police can say ‘we are looking for a male/female’ then they are stuffed.

Fieldofgreycorn · 12/03/2022 13:38

I feel like the journalist who wrote it is giving a wink by putting in the inverted commas but if it is not a young woman that is being sought then its nonsense that the police are not giving accurate information.

How awful for the boy I hope he’s ok.

It does look like a rather strange character. You mean they could be a male? Or maybe the witnesses weren’t sure, or they’re not actually ‘young’…

Difficult to tell with such a distorted picture. You’d think with all the purloining Primark have to deal with they’d have better quality cctv.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2022 13:43

@DomesticatedZombie

'“She raised her dress up and lowered her pants to reveal a penis and continued to walk 40 feet with the penis exposed. This occurred in public view. Members of the public appeared shocked by the defendant’s actions.'

Articles like this demonstrate the exceptional power that organisations like Press for Change have in concealing and enabling predatory behaviour by men. Who would have thought that journalists and the Police who investigate corruption and crime run so scared of these groups that they openly write lies untruths.

It's time we started asking why these groups are so determined to conceal this avalanche of appalling sexual behaviour - who gains??

OldCrone · 12/03/2022 13:43

How can the police possibly guess how this person chooses to describe their gender. I’m pretty sure 99% of the people who saw them would be able to identify their sex. Until the police can say ‘we are looking for a male/female’ then they are stuffed.

This person might be a man who identifies as a cross-dressing man. If they don't know who it is, and the person didn't say to the victim 'I am a woman', they could be misgendering them by referring to them as a woman.

If they don't know the person's identity, they definitely can't know their 'gender identity' (or even if they have one), so should be referring to them by their sex (or the sex they appear to be), regardless of press rules about 'gender'. Aren't we told that we shouldn't assume anyone's gender identity just from looking at them?

KittenKong · 12/03/2022 13:50

I’m worried that I’ll be caught on camera dropping a fag end or something ‘police are looking for a male, dressed like a schoolboy’ on a day when I am schlepping around jeans and my kids old school rugby top.

It might literally un-life me.

Clymene · 12/03/2022 13:58

Do you remember this bloke? And the absurdity of them posting a photo of someone clearly male and saying 'lisa hauxwell may be dressed as a man' like it was some cunning disguise.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3023090/sex-attacker-wanted-over-string-of-rapes-and-sexual-assaults-could-be-living-as-a-man-or-a-woman-as-crimewatch-plans-to-feature-them-as-both/

More concerned about not misgendering the rights of the serial rapist than catching him