Man gives birth

[Lookingforatimeslip]

Another “man” gives birth. Having seen a poster on Mumsnet talking about a book that used very ambiguous language around the sexes, it’s concerning that Ryan didn’t realise Ryan could get pregnant. What’s also very sad is when Ryan says “ Since coming out as Ryan, I've felt this freedom that I never felt as a girl, I do things for me instead of what society deems certain genders should do.”

Sorry about the Mirror link: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-gives-birth-after-not-26406151

@BraveBananaBadge

Can never read a headline like that without thinking of Brenda Fricker in So I Married an Axe Murderer:

May Mackenzie: Charlie, hand me the paper.
Charlie Mackenzie: Mom, I find it interesting that you call The Weekly World News "the paper." A paper contains facts.
May Mackenzie: This newspaper contains facts. Look at this. "Pregnant man gives birth." That's a fact

Woman! Woah... man! Wooooahhh man!

@Enough4me

More correctly, "A man who says he's a woman gives birth".

To be even more correct shouldn’t that be “a biological woman who thinks she is a man gives birth”

Sex ed seems to have had a brief sunny window where I think we were getting to the point that young people understood how you got pregnant and why and what stopped you from unwanted pregnancies. No more 'do it standing up on a full moon' etc.

Now, if they're taught that its possible to change sex, that sex is a spectrum and that sex has no bearing on reproductive ability then I do worry we are going backwards in terms of knowledge and understanding.

“ My GP was worried about possible complications but my pregnancy ran smoothly.Thankfully I had a wonderful team of midwives who would address me with the appropriate pronouns and if they made a mistake would apologise”

I can’t bring myself to comment on this statement.

So even when Ryan was getting sex-ed at school at no point the penny dropped that PIV sex could lead to pregnancy? Regardless of identification?

That's fucked up.

As an aside, I'm having difficulty articulating my thoughts on a man who has vaginal sex. If you identify as a man why would you do that? It's not a man-thing at all...

@viques

“ My GP was worried about possible complications but my pregnancy ran smoothly.Thankfully I had a wonderful team of midwives who would address me with the appropriate pronouns and if they made a mistake would apologise”

I can’t bring myself to comment on this statement.

Even during pregnancy which, y'know is a time when most of us accept for a short time we're a walking incubator, it's all about Ryan and Ryan's feelz. Biology aside it seems a sense of male entitlement was perhaps always there.

Surely when you address someone you address them as 'you'.

You only use third person pronouns when referring to someone in conversation with someone else.

Mind you, a person who evidently doesn't understand human reproduction may not know the difference between the verbs 'address' and 'refer to'.

I suppose MN is part of the chorus telling transmen they will be sterile, though you'd think most people would guess it would take longer than a few days on testosterone for total sterility to take hold.

I can't help hoping that Ryan finds being a parent and working with his Mum on that helps heal his relationship with his own body.

@PermanentTemporary

I suppose MN is part of the chorus telling transmen they will be sterile, though you'd think most people would guess it would take longer than a few days on testosterone for total sterility to take hold.

I can't help hoping that Ryan finds being a parent and working with his Mum on that helps heal his relationship with his own body.

This seems to be a deliberate piece of misinformation being put out there by TRAs that GC people are claiming that trans men are infertile.

I don't see GC people claiming puberty blockers cause infertility (but TRAs claim that people are saying that).
Testosterone (after certain amount of doses) can cause infertility, and other irreversible effects.

TRAs claim Russia is behind worldwide anti-trans legislation and they also claim that it's GC people making false arguments. Real misdirection by TRAs again.

The shock he expressed was due to him getting pregnant, it was due to him getting pregnant whilst taking hormone treatment as he thought it would cause him to be infertile.

This just goes to show the shocking lack of education and explanations that go one when people are being prescribed hormone treatments.

I don't know about sterile but finding it tricky to think how Ryan taking testosterone will benefit the unborn child.

Why are drs agreeing to administer treatment when the patient is so unaware of the side effects /possibilities etc

If someone couldn't grasp you can get pregnant by having heterosexual sex then that needs addressing before anything else does.

If sex education is leving young adults so clueless we should not be allowing any one to lobby us into making it even more confusing by reniving sex relevance

Is The Young Ones now being viewed as a factual documentary rather than a comedy? With Rik as a noble hero, and the episode where Vyvyan got pregnant to avoid getting a job just like real life?

(PS Vyvyan gave birth to a massive fart).

Children are being taught complete and utter nonsense. I had a twelve year old tell me her friend was now a boy and at 18 was going to have his breasts surgically removed. This apparently will make him more of a boy. I asked if my friend who has had a double mastectomy due to cancer is now a man. That is different so I was told.

There are going to be some very mixed up young adults in a few years. I hope someone is budgeting for all the counselling they will need.

"Chest feeding"

I'm so done.

The fact they didn't know they could get pregnant, the fact there are now books which are ambiguous about which sex can get pregnant. Bloody hell. I fear for future generations, I really do.
I think the same with cervical and prostate cancers. How are we going to explain to future generations who has a cervix and should be going to cervical screening, and who has a prostate and should be checking it.

@viques you're right, in trying to un-ideologise the language I completely reversed that she is a woman. The language is warped and crazy!

Woman gives birth makes sense.

How old was the partner/ boyfriend to know they were infertile too? He sounds abusive to me and just didn't want to wear a condom. Is Ryan vulnerable in other ways to believe this? I do so worry about those girls who are saying they are boys/men yet have other mental health issues or other things.

How old was the partner/ boyfriend to know they were infertile too? He sounds abusive to me and just didn't want to wear a condom.

This is massively speculation. We don't know anything about the partner. I know several people (both sexes) who have been told as fairly young adults that they're unlikely to have children naturally.

bishop!

Bishop and Brave I don't know if you are being serious or not!

I just managed to read the full article so Ryan was a week pregnant before starting testosterone? I find this whole thing very confusing.

It is confusing (and I was being serious, not sure why you think I wasn't, but I did make a humorous post earlier!) - I suspect because the 'weeks' of pregnancy are counted from approx 2 weeks before you could actually become pregnant - your last period. So "10 weeks pregnant" actually means you've been pregnant for around 8 weeks.
Yeah it's weird and confusing.

The dialogue was from a 90s Mike Myers comedy, with the joke being the main character's mother read supermarket tabloids and considered the silly made up headlines serious news. Who's laughing now

I'm just never going to read the term 'pregnant man' without hearing it in Brenda Fricker's huge Scottish brogue (as it was in the role).

Yes and I should add that my 'Woman!' post is a quote from the same movie. Before anyone reports it for saying woman or man or woah!