Feeling Very Disturbed

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Name changed as outing.
I've just posted on my medical profession's closed FB group in support of an OP questioning the appropriateness of our professional body being a member of SW diversity scheme.
Cue pile-on by many talking all the usual talk - TWAW etc.
Thread deleted by admin as they agreed with reporters.
I'm really rattled - these are scientists denying scientific reality.
Just having a vent, really.

Crikey, they are medicos? God help an actual transwomen or transmen who seek treatment for the side effects of all the messing about with their bodies. "oh no, that can't be happening - you're an actual woman [or man], donchaknow?"

I'm not surprised you're disturbed. Solidarity. I can only assume a lot of people have spent no time thinking about this at all and have swallowed wholesale the idea that TWAWTMAMNBPAV etc etc is an extension of gay rights, which they would (rightly, obviously) have no problem with.

Completely understand you being disturbed and needing to vent OP.

I am at a particularly low ebb because the reality-denying woke wankery DARVO seems to have hit a high waterline in my industry at the moment. But that's arts-related, and not medicine ffs.

Sometimes I'm hopeful. Sometimes I truly think we're all doomed.

That is disturbing on so many levels OP. I'm just off to bang my head against a wall for a while.

Thanks for supportive words
Just to be clear, before anyone injures themselves, I’m a vet, not a medic.
Up to now, I’ve found my profession a pragmatic and realistic bunch. I’m nearing retirement and I guess this shows how out of touch I am!

Ah. I hope, but sadly I don't feel confident enough to expect, that HCPs who deal with humans may have seen the problems in some of their patients and started thinking harder about it all.

Not too many gender issues in farm animals and pets, I assume!

I'd be disturbed too. Tbh I am permanently disturbed to some extent by all of this.

Do they support other Queer identitarians? Are Furries animals?

I’d be disturbed too. Vets? Fuck sake.

In a way it's even more baffling coming from vets. Do they also believe trans ewes are ewes? Trans bulls are bulls? If a dog called Lulu was brought in wearing a pink diamanté collar would they treat it as specifically female, regardless of its genetalia? If not, why not?

I truly think people just see 'Stonewall' and think that equals being fair and accepting of others so anyone questioning membership gets instantly shut down.

Unless they've done some background reading into it, most can't see through their agenda.

@FeelingVeryDisturbed

You aren't alone. I saw the same post briefly.
Afraid I'm not brave enough to raise my head I think there are likely plenty more like us.
Can't believe the RCVS are still paying SW.
As a profession we bang on about EBVM, but it seems that's not implemented in practice and can't even be rationally discussed.
You aren't out of touch and your age isn't related to your views.

Might it be worth someone (not necessarily you) pointing out the LGBAlliance came in to existence because more and more LGB people feel that Stonewall discriminates against them and is actively homophobic. That might at least give some of them pause for thought (or maybe not!).

Really frustrating, but not unsurprising if it’s main moderator is Libdem. (Assuming I’ve guessed the right page) I’ve seen similar on another vet site and just had to keep my head down and say nothing.

No debate within my evidence based data insistent peer group.
Maybe some lurkers though

@FeelingVeryDisturbed

You are absolutely in touch with reality, they are the ones who are out of touch.

Waves @WaltzingBetty @Sledgingdown
Yes the libdem aspect is especially depressing as that’s been my natural vote for the last 35 years.

@FeelingVeryDisturbed

Waves *@WaltzingBetty* *@Sledgingdown* Yes the libdem aspect is especially depressing as that’s been my natural vote for the last 35 years.

Yes I'm politically homeless now too. And there are many things about that FB group that frustrate me

OP, some of the worst be-kind, TWAW people I know are doctors. And not young doctors, people at consultant level. I've had a Head of Paediatrics arguing with me that sex is a spectrum! Same with very experienced, top-of-scale clinical psychologists and a psychiatrist I know. I have a suspicion that several of them are ASD: a couple of them actually talk about being autistic. They seem to be so clever that they can be persuaded to accept anything as true.

All of the HCPs I know in real life are - well, either gc or just Not Buying It for a minute.

@Pluvia

OP, some of the worst be-kind, TWAW people I know are doctors. And not young doctors, people at consultant level. I've had a Head of Paediatrics arguing with me that sex is a spectrum! Same with very experienced, top-of-scale clinical psychologists and a psychiatrist I know. I have a suspicion that several of them are ASD: a couple of them actually talk about being autistic. They seem to be so clever that they can be persuaded to accept anything as true.

Eep.

davidrobson.me/the-intelligence-trap/

@Pluvia

OP, some of the worst be-kind, TWAW people I know are doctors. And not young doctors, people at consultant level. I've had a Head of Paediatrics arguing with me that sex is a spectrum! Same with very experienced, top-of-scale clinical psychologists and a psychiatrist I know. I have a suspicion that several of them are ASD: a couple of them actually talk about being autistic. They seem to be so clever that they can be persuaded to accept anything as true.

I think sometimes they are so used to accepting "best practice" kinds of recommendations, that they end up being quite vulnerable to medical fads. And medical fads are not at all unusual.

I know a GP who, about 10 years ago, was asked to take on a young transitioning female patient who did not have a regular GP. - probably really on the first wave of the current wave of younger women transitioners. She was told that aside from normal health care she would just be looking at dealing with prescriptions, making sure things were in order for tests or referrals, as far as the medical transition went - pretty regular stuff. All the psychological assessments etc were in order.

She agreed and things seemed fine, until a few years later when this poor person just started to fall apart, from all of the underlying issues that, it turned out, had never been addressed by the therapists.

Now, this GP was and is a person who is reasonable skeptical about medical fads, but this was an area she wasn't expert in and hadn't had much reason to get into the nitty gritty. When it went bad she was really upset that things had not been as thorough as she'd been led to believe.

OP this is a paper about the importance of language related to sex, as it has an impact on health outcomes.

It is brilliantly written by HCPs. It is also nuanced and respectful.

Perhaps the people who shut you down might listen to this?

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR2LxA0PL7cJ0SbS_Jq9df5jfLbCCwfVz86vd7aYWkeAq23liD_TpfEpuqA

Might it be worth someone (not necessarily you) pointing out the LGBAlliance came in to existence because more and more LGB people feel that Stonewall discriminates against them and is actively homophobic.

Including Simon Fanshawe, who was one of the founders of Stonewall. He's a bit of a hero of mine.

The loudest speak over others in their rush to assert their piety. I imagine many lurkers in the group feel similarly to you, OP.

Twaw is also an idea trumpeted by the comfortable, oppression-seeking middle-classes, who are traditionally encouraged into (vet)med, so it's not entirely a wonder that it has its support.