Texas to prosecute trans medical procedures on children as child abuse

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Back on topic, here's another report:

thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/595301-texas-ag-some-types-of-medical-care-for-transgender-children-are-abuse

It's from The Hill which is generally not too biased but at the end of a reasonably informative article they end with unexamined claims about suicide for "transgender children" who don't receive "gender-affirming health care".

Whilst I think medically transitioning children and the whole 'wrong body' narrative is child abuse (though one which many parents have been terrified into doing because of the 'you can have a trans child or a dead child' threat narrative some organisations have been pushing), the fact that it's Texas doing this will only make positions more deeply entrenched.

Texas doesn't seem to be a good place to live unless you are a gender conforming, straight man (probably White American too). Like many of us, I don't think Trans kids need medical and surgical input... but they do need counselling and understanding and someone to tell them its ok to be different.

You only have to watch one episode of I Am Jazz to see how harmful early medical and surgical transition is for children. That poor young person's life is being destroyed and there seems to be no one to stop it.

Good.

One of the most horrific things in the Biggs paper was that capacity to orgasm can be removed via such interventions. In the Swedish documentary, the standout was the crippling back problems.

And that's not the entirety of the problems caused by stopping a natural process that we all have to go through and cope with. Natal girls end up short according to the Biggs paper, which hardly can be said to help them pass as men when older.

Even for the very small number of individuals who will genuinely not desist, it seems unarguable that giving those individuals osteoporosis and taking away their capacity for a sex life is somehow OK.

They are expected to live as a girl/boy for at least 2 years before they are permitted to be given hormones

At what age can a child be put on cross-sex hormones? I didn't think they were only allowed before the age of 16.

Good.
Finally someone putting children first & standing up for them.

That's what the adults are supposed to do, just like we don't let our children stick their hands in naked flames or drink bleach because as adults we know those things harm you.

Good. I hope they succeed. On the point of "oh no, because it's Texas gender identity theorists will become more entrenched" yes, probably. But if it was California, the narrative would be "oh wow, how has California become the centre of the trans genocide?". The result is the same - gender identity theorists don't really care where the message comes from.

What I mean is that there are no perfect actors to push back on this. When centrists and conservatives push back they are said to do so because they were right wing bigots all along. When lefty progressives push back, it's said that they have become right wing bigots

At what age can a child be put on cross-sex hormones? I didn't think they were only allowed before the age of 16.

Helen Webberley was handing them out to 12 year olds although that was stopped. Returning to the US, apparently Jazz Jennings was taking estrogen at 11.

About time.

Texas is an entirely different context to the UK, politically and socially.

Scratch that, I misread, it seems that the age for Jazz Jennings was around 12.

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

Texas doesn't seem to be a good place to live unless you are a gender conforming, straight man (probably White American too). Like many of us, I don't think Trans kids need medical and surgical input... but they do need counselling and understanding and someone to tell them its ok to be different.

Not too sure about that. Huge numbers of Californians are relocating to Texas, particularly Houston. Obviously there's a huge financial draw there but LA liberals aren't going to be moving en-masse to Redneckville.

www.houston.org/news/houston-leading-destination-california-residents-headed-texas

California gave up more than 82,000 residents to the Lone Star State in 2019. Here are the top Texas destination counties for former Californians:

Harris County — 8,408.
Dallas County — 7,923.
Travis County — 6,725.
Tarrant County — 6,623.
Bexar County — 5,340.
Collin County — 5,294.
Denton County — 4,028.
Williamson County — 2,877.
El Paso County — 2,521.
Bell County — 1,727.

There was a good article in NYT about this today. I’ve tried to link it and can’t.

There was another one about the ‘inhumanity’ of making children wait for medications. The article was biased but the comments were, of course, the voice of reason.

@ThatsWhenTheCannibalismStarted

Good. I hope they succeed. On the point of "oh no, because it's Texas gender identity theorists will become more entrenched" yes, probably. But if it was California, the narrative would be "oh wow, how has California become the centre of the trans genocide?". The result is the same - gender identity theorists don't really care where the message comes from.

What I mean is that there are no perfect actors to push back on this. When centrists and conservatives push back they are said to do so because they were right wing bigots all along. When lefty progressives push back, it's said that they have become right wing bigots

This. And the Californians moving to Texas.

Even Caitlyn Jenner was in the paper at the weekend questioning why people in California were ok with camp councillors of one sex inserting themselves in the bedrooms of teens of the other (it was very woke world gone mad.). As we used to say in the 90s, Americans don’t really get irony.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542107/Caitlyn-Jenner-slams-WOKE-world-gender-identity-saying-figure-out.html

The problem is it’s Texas. Context is relevant here. I support not being allowed to medicate children in ways that permanently affect them , which includes hormones and puberty blockers, I wonder if it’s a) overly prescriptive (if children are regularly on a year or two of puberty blockers there might be data showing that doesn’t ha them,and it’s just extended periods and bypassing puberty that’s the concern?)

There is no data to show puberty blockers don't harm them however there is plenty of data to show they do. It also locks in transition so they go onto cross sex hormones. 'Bypassing puberty' is also hugely harmful: puberty affects every system in the body, it matures the brain, increases bone density, matures sexual function and gonads to allow reproduction...

I don’t want to see kids and young adults being bullied, beaten up or worse for saying they are trans.

You mean worse like having multiple unnecessary mutilating surgeries with up to over 80% adverse effect rates, taking drugs that increase self harm, prevent brain maturation, lead to sterility, loss of sexual function, osteoporosis, increased risk of heart attacks...

@LondonWolf

This is good news. There's a governor election November. I think that outcome could be indicative of where the US will turn now with regards to trans issues. If he's re-elected it may embolden others to step up. I saw this policy and referred to as a "trans genocide" 🙄 on Twitter.

I doubt it, Texas thinks it's a whole country and a lot of the US agrees.

Is it difficult to move towards states? I know there is lots of practical stuff such as jobs, schooling, housing etc but legally can you just upsticks one day and move to a different state?

Idaho is also experiencing ahuge influx of people from California, it's causing real issues in their housing market.

Many many people are unhappy about the way California is going, economically, complete urban breakdown, and all the rest.

Good if Texas are protecting children

In The Times now:

Medical treatment for transgender youths is child abuse, Texas governor Greg Abbott says

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4830cbe8-954f-11ec-bcf4-9dde9b8243da?shareToken=43cb05d169a65edc528d0daa66236794

@Lovelyricepudding

The problem is it’s Texas. Context is relevant here. I support not being allowed to medicate children in ways that permanently affect them , which includes hormones and puberty blockers, I wonder if it’s a) overly prescriptive (if children are regularly on a year or two of puberty blockers there might be data showing that doesn’t ha them,and it’s just extended periods and bypassing puberty that’s the concern?)

There is no data to show puberty blockers don't harm them however there is plenty of data to show they do. It also locks in transition so they go onto cross sex hormones. 'Bypassing puberty' is also hugely harmful: puberty affects every system in the body, it matures the brain, increases bone density, matures sexual function and gonads to allow reproduction...

I don’t want to see kids and young adults being bullied, beaten up or worse for saying they are trans.

You mean worse like having multiple unnecessary mutilating surgeries with up to over 80% adverse effect rates, taking drugs that increase self harm, prevent brain maturation, lead to sterility, loss of sexual function, osteoporosis, increased risk of heart attacks...

Honestly, I said bypassing puberty is a concern. It’s insane that we have this hugely complex developmental process and so many people have decided it’s actually optional and that won’t make any difference long term with no data for that.

And I said I’m against medicating children. I could misread your comment just as well as you’ve misread mine and I’d be demanding why you thought beating trans children up was ok. It’s unhelpful to be jumping on people like that.

Lots of use of 'life saving' I see.

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

Texas doesn't seem to be a good place to live unless you are a gender conforming, straight man (probably White American too). Like many of us, I don't think Trans kids need medical and surgical input... but they do need counselling and understanding and someone to tell them its ok to be different.

Parts of Texas are very liberal and progressive, from what I hear. Houston, especially.