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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Arghhhh my workplace has fallen......

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Pineapplemonkey · 17/02/2022 13:52

So as part of LBGTQI+ (did I get all the right letters in the right order?!) history month all staff have been sent this:

C is for Cisgender – describes a person whose gender identity is the same as their sex assigned at birth.

G is for Gender – gender is a social construction relating to behaviours and attributes based on labels of masculinity and femininity; gender identify is personal, internal perception of oneself and so the gender category someone identifies with may not match the sex they were assigned at birth.

G is for Gender expansive – a person with a wider, more flexible range of gender identity and/or expression than typically associated with the binary gender system. Often used as an umbrella term when referring to young people still exploring the possibilities of their gender expression and/or gender identity.

G is for Gender expression – external appearance of one’s gender identity, usually expressed through behaviour, clothing, body characteristics or voice, and which may or may not conform to socially defined behaviours and characteristics typically associated with being either masculine or feminine.

G is for Gender fluid – a person who does not identity with a single fixed gender or has a fluid or unfixed gender identity.

G is for Gender non-conforming – a broad term referring to people who do not conform to the traditional expectations of their gender, or whose gender expression does
not fit neatly into a category. While many also identify as trans, not all gender non-conforming people do.

N is for Non-binary – an adjective describing a person who does not identify exclusively within the gender binary. Non-binary people may identify as being both a man and a woman, somewhere in between, or as falling completely outside these categories. While many also identify as trans, not all non-binary people do. Non-binary can also be used as an umbrella term encompassing identities such as agender, bigender, genderqueer or gender-fluid.

O is for Outing – exposing someone’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or gender non-binary identity to others without their permission. Outing someone can have serious repercussions on employment, economic stability, personal safety or religious or family situations.

P is for Pansexual – describes someone who has the potential for emotional, romantic, or sexual attraction to people of any gender though not necessarily simultaneously, in the same way or to the same degree.

Q for Questioning – a term used to describe people who are in the process of exploring their sexual orientation or gender identity.

S is for Same-gender loving – a term some prefer to use instead of lesbian, gay or bisexual to express attraction to and love of people of the same gender.

S is for Sex – Sex refers to the biological aspects of an individual as determined by their anatomy, chromosomes, and hormones, and is assigned at birth based on a baby’s physical characteristics.

T is for Transitioning – a series of processes that some transgender people may undergo to live more fully as their true gender. This typically includes social transition, such as changing name and pronouns, medical transition, which may include hormone therapy or gender affirming surgeries, and legal transition, which may include changing legal name and sex on government identify documents. Trans people may choose to undergo some, all, or none of these processes.

T is for Trans – an umbrella term for people whose gender identity is not the same as the sex they were assigned at birth. Being trans is different from sexual orientation and a trans person can identify as straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, in the same way as a cisgender person.

Now I've finished shouting my rage at my computer screen I'm debating how and to who I need to complain to.........god help us all Hmm

Now I'm off to the bookies- £50 says next weeks all staffer is about pronouns.

OP posts:
LilithRises · 20/02/2022 17:55

G .... is for gaslighting women
M ....is for mass induced collective psychosis
O .... is for Orwellian Nightmare
P ..., is for pushing back and fighting this nonsense

VelvetChairGirl · 20/02/2022 18:04

At least they admit gender is a social construction and therefore is not caused by being born with a "lady brain".

as such they should also recognise that construction is deeply sexist.

I would reply to that email futhering those points about the social constuct and whom constructed them in the first place in the 1940s and how many women he asked before doing so etc, you could start a whole chain of conversation about it.

Helen8220 · 20/02/2022 18:10

@CornedBeef451
My authentic self wears pyjamas 23 hours a day and reads excessive amounts of gay fan fiction. I don't bring that to work!

Are you me? Seriously though, I think the question of what is appropriate to share at work is really interesting. For a long time it was taken as read that talking about your wife and kids was totally normal but any mention of same sex attraction/relationships was basically shoving your niche sexual activities down other people’s throats. I’m not saying that it’s ok to share the details of one’s sexual desires and practices with colleagues, but it’s important to recognise that there are strong cultural norms about what we share about ourselves in public/work contexts, and they change over time.

KittenKong · 20/02/2022 18:29

The real me needs to take a nap sometimes (I make up the time) and also like to have our morning team meetings on my PJs (and without even brushing my hair). Nah, they don’t want that.

EyesOpening · 20/02/2022 21:26

G is for Gender – gender is a social construction relating to behaviours and attributes based on labels of masculinity and femininity; gender identify is personal, internal perception of oneself and so the gender category someone identifies with may not match the sex they were assigned at birth.

by lumping gender identity in with gender and then mentioning gender category, after saying gender is based on masculinity and femininity, it sounds like they are basically admitting it's about how masculine or feminine you are. I would be asking them some very awkward questions about that as I come under Q for questioning .

MangyInseam · 20/02/2022 21:46

@NotMyGenderGoblin

"P is for Pansexual – describes someone who has the potential for emotional, romantic, or sexual attraction to people of any gender though not necessarily simultaneously, in the same way or to the same degree".

This is nonsense. How can a word with "sex" in it refer to gender?

Someone who is pangenderal is by definition homo, hetero or bi-sexual as those are the three sexual orientations in existence.

If you know someone is open to multiple different genders you have literally no idea whether they are gay or straight or bi.

I had an epiphany about this, why do they think a word like heterosexuality can refer to gender when sex is actually part of the word.

They think the sex part refers to the verb, so it's "I like to have sex with people who are the same./different from me. They don't realize it's meant to indicate sex in the sense of reproductive role.

MangyInseam · 20/02/2022 21:52

I just hate this stuff at work.

By all means, if there is something my workplace wants me to do, in relation to my work, let me know. If we are not treating people appropriately or whatever.

But please fuck off with regard to telling us what to think. I don't care if you believe is right. My personal values and beliefs are nothing to do with my employer unless it is fundamentally a political or ideological or religious organization where that is part of the job.

RetireReady · 20/02/2022 22:05

I can't read these threads any more, they make me too angry.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/02/2022 08:41

So what does the 2S stand for?

Cultural appropriation. Usually a no no, but not for the sacred caste.

KittenKong · 21/02/2022 08:43

I read somewhere that it’s a fairly modern thing - not an ‘ancient and sacred’ sect at all.

CrimeaChimera · 21/02/2022 08:53

[quote FannyCann]OP I've poked my head above the parapet at work (NHS) this week and the roof hasn't fallen in. I've been thanked and invited on a working group for new policies for my department.

I just pointed out that sex was the protected characteristic not gender (as written by the hospital Comms dept) and posted this link about effective communication on the intranet page. They've corrected the post and promised to remember to use sex not gender in future.

And the working party is a full on eye roll as the Society of Radiographers appears to be well and truly captured with an extensive glossary full of assigned at birth twaddle so we are going to have to ask everyone between ages 12-55 including all men if they could be pregnant. A part of me thinks asking grown men if they could be pregnant can only serve to open the eyes of a lot of men. Anyway I sent the link to the manager in charge of the working group drawing up our new policies and she said it was really helpful. I'm damned if I'm going to see a policy full of "gender neutral" language.

So good luck with your MD.
Print off this paper and use it when you need to.

internal-journal.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR1GmMyg9yC58i3SargXSSpsw1NgaVoD6raB8cz40YuEgx9VxFTr5A4m4OQ[/quote]
Interesting. DH was actually given an MRI on his knee just before Christmas and the radiographer said to him'I am sorry, but I have to ask this. is there a chance you could be pregnant'. He told me about this and basically just was filled with contempt for the stupidity of it. He's GC anyway and I discuss these issues ALOT so he was aware of the context of such a stupid question being asked, but imagine if you do not know the political context of this. Does not leave you with a great deal of faith in those providing your medical care does it?

RadicalFern · 21/02/2022 09:18

Pineapplemonkey your email reads like the leaked script from the worst Sesame Street episode ever.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 21/02/2022 09:56

@NotMyGenderGoblin

"P is for Pansexual – describes someone who has the potential for emotional, romantic, or sexual attraction to people of any gender though not necessarily simultaneously, in the same way or to the same degree".

This is nonsense. How can a word with "sex" in it refer to gender?

Someone who is pangenderal is by definition homo, hetero or bi-sexual as those are the three sexual orientations in existence.

If you know someone is open to multiple different genders you have literally no idea whether they are gay or straight or bi.

This is true. But let's play along with their bizarre Gender Ideology and imagine 'Pansexual' as a sexual orientation is legit.

By their definitions (lesbian/gay as 'same-gender' attracted) there is absolutely no distinction between pansexual, lesbian, gay, or bisexual.

In which case are they trying to claim sexual orientation isn't real exist? Are they, for instance, denying that lesbians exist?

The homophobia and misogyny enmeshed in this toxic pressure group is rank. How can anyone not see this for what it is: ie not 'woke' but aggressive, vociferous and oppressive right wing politics?

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