House of Lords leaves Stonewall

[MiladyBerserko]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/999da8ae-8c29-11ec-b5fe-7fe087ff87b5?shareToken=d48957e8cb2168c4fd17e5d63d23d471

Excellent news

Super news.

Ironically Stonewall can't seem to see that use of 'birthing parent' is actually more exclusive than inclusive. There are far more women who have become parents by adoption or surrogacy (i know different people here feel differently about surrogacy but that's another debate) than there are TiMs or 'non binary people' offended by the term mother. To not use mother actually excludes these women in favour of including men or people who think their personality is a gender.

The GRA specifically preserves male primogeniture so a woman who identifies as trans cannot inherit a peerage in place of her younger brother. Stonewall are apparently perfectly happy with this.

Of course they are because the male who identifies as trans still gets to inherit the peerage. Gotta love the patriarchy - heads they win, tails you lose.

The GRA specifically preserves male primogeniture so a woman who identifies as trans cannot inherit a peerage in place of her younger brother. Stonewall are apparently perfectly happy with this.

Just not happy with women being allowed to have same sex medical examiner's after rape or women prisoners being able to shower without male prisoners showering with them.

Another clear indication that TRAs are men's rights activists.

Ironically Stonewall can't seem to see that use of 'birthing parent' is actually more exclusive than inclusive. There are far more women who have become parents by adoption or surrogacy (i know different people here feel differently about surrogacy but that's another debate) than there are TiMs or 'non binary people' offended by the term mother. To not use mother actually excludes these women in favour of including men or people who think their personality is a gender.

Hadn't thought of the extra hurt this erasure of " mother" might cause some women. Thank you. This is a very good point.

Excellent news.

There have been a flurry of good news stories on this from the House of Lords.

This has made my day

Ace!

HAPPY SUNDAY! 🎉🎉🎉

No doubt Baroness Hunt of Bethnal Green will be refusing her seat forthwith!

Is Disgusted suggesting only people under a certain age can be lesbian, gay or bisexual? 🤣

I didn’t think it was something you out grew.

Excellent news.

I mean really shouldn't stonewall have some faith in their training ?

If you need to keep renewing each year and go through the whole rigmarole of repeating the forms it don't say much about its effectiveness.

A reminder of the 7 Nolan Principles, with which membership of any scheme conflicts:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-7-principles-of-public-life/the-7-principles-of-public-life--2

Most obviously, being in a SW-like scheme conflicts with integrity:

"Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work."

And of course with objectivity:

"Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias."

Public office holders must also be selfless:

"Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest."

The SW scheme is in conflict with all of these things. It would be the same if the Lords decided to take part in a GC scheme or a CRT scheme, or a scheme run by a religious organisation/constellation of religious organisations.

The question is - how and why were they ever in the scheme? The Committee on Standards in Public Life should investigate to stop this ever happening again.

No part of the legislature should be part of a scheme run by any lobby group.

This isn’t just about Stonewall, it’s about lobbying. I think lobbying may be the next big issue/scandal to hit politics.

This isn’t just about Stonewall, it’s about lobbying. I think lobbying may be the next big issue/scandal to hit politics

David Cameron said the same in 2010, ironic given his recent activity though

I agree though, and the idea that the house of Lords pays stonewall to lobby it is ludicrous. No part of government should be in the stonewall lobbying scheme.

Great news! Have Stonewall ever been investigated by the Charity Commission? They've gone so beyond their remit for so long now.

Are they out of both schemes or just the Diversity Champions?

@DisgustedofManchester

Hmm the house of lords ( and ladies maybe? )

Average age 71
Ethinic minorities 2%
Men 66%
Largest Group Conservative

colour me unsurprised

Loving the attempts to shame us. Always a good way to keep women in check, eh?

The thing about Stonewall is that the more you read about their schemes, in their own words too, the more the homophobia and misogyny shines through. It's shocking when an institution like the House of Lords sees this, and a once great gay rights charity does not. But this is the world we live in.

Very very good news. The HoL scrutinizes legislation. They should never have been beholden to a lobby group pushing controversial views and giving legal advice found to be the law ‘as Stonewall wants it to be, not the law as it is’.

Excellent news.
SW has become a misogynistic, homophobic, desperate caricature of itself. Well done HoL.

@ErrolTheDragon

Ethinic minorities 2%

6.6% last year. It was 2.6% in 2001 so presumably the 2%statistic is from the last century. So still far too low, but moving in the right direction.

It is low but bear in mind 87% of the UK population is White rising to 96% in Scotland.

Partaaaaay!

Is it just me that doesn't understand the need for gender neutral language when referring to pregnancy and birth. Surely its the most womanly thing you can ever do. So how do you identify as non binary person or a transman if you're doing the very thing females are designed to do? Surely if you're pregnant that makes you a woman. And however you feel inside that's what being a woman feels like cos you are one.
Mind you, you could say that generally as well, not just about the pregnancy issue.