SNP ready to make concessions on gender reforms (and more)

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Three article the Sunday Times Scotland today, none of then allows any comments, not even mdoerated:

SNP article:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fd775498-8c41-11ec-b5fe-7fe087ff87b5?shareToken=8d2632b2245c38d91562f1c73d5f14bb

Transgender rights: Samaritan denied foster role in row over puberty blockers:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a6863396-8c43-11ec-b5fe-7fe087ff87b5?shareToken=b2f92aade377f5e43af94be8c21dd21d

And Viking hordes ‘may have been trans’:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/96c0c8dc-8c42-11ec-b5fe-7fe087ff87b5?shareToken=f314de7f0af5d724c88e00b0f1be1101

"Sacha Coward, who specialises in gender and sexuality, said it would be “a mistake” to believe that Viking society subscribed to traditional gender roles, after recent discoveries suggested that some celebrated warriors were female."

But tradional gender roles are fundamental to trans ideology, if the Vikings didn't believe in them then these female warriors were just that, female warriors, not transmen. "Leading historian" my arse.

Interesting, if true. Obviously the “concessions” under discussion don’t begin to scratch the surface of the issue, but for there to be any discussion of concessions, someone high enough up to have influence must, on some level, have become aware of the sheer level of pushback around the issue.

Are women’s groups going to be consulted before this legislation is passed? I thought I read the SNP had agreed to do so.

That third article does not prove Vikings were trans. All it proves is that the patriarchy documented all warriors as male in the same way as Roman patriarchy documented all disciples as male.

Did they stop teaching alevel history with methodology or summat?

Anyone who's studying the vikings in any way at a post school level should know that there's different schools of history with which to view and interpret the past and thus offer and explore differing hypothesis. That's clearly through the trans school of history, a recent, single minded blinkered sexist version with its roots in... I'm not even going to go there.

What is it about this that makes everyone so open minded their brains fall out? (To quote the great late Berns.)

The snp haven't a clue. I believe all this trans shit was to bolster support from the greens to be piggy backed to independence. They haven't actually looked into it, and when they have they've pushed it aside and deliberately ignored it

The absolute chancers! Do the SNP really believe those slight cosmetic changes, that do not touch on the heart of the matter, will counter the concerns highlighted by the EHRC?

The only thing I agree on in the Viking article is that the roles of men and women weren’t quite as binary as first thought. To suggest that women warriors had the gender identity of males and would likely see themselves today as trans men is actually quite offensive. Some people need to get over the idea that strong women who don’t conform to stereotypes have always and will continue to exist.

I couldn't give two hoots if men need to wait 3 months or 6 months to compromise my right to female-only care, spaces, services or sports, on his own say so alone. That's not the issue.

Fuck off, SNP.

I'm currently reading the chapter in 'Trans' on the way this movement used behind the scenes lobbying and stealth tactics to sneak legislation through, hoping no-one would notice, or no-one would care because it didn't affect male spaces (the attitude to women reminds me of that phrase in Succession, 'No Real People involved'). Well, women are 'woke' to it now.

It’s very good news if ScotGov would reconsider the lowering of the age to 16. ScotGov are keen to sell the GRC as just a bit of paper, but it’s not. Lowering the age to 16 is effectively ScotGov pushing transition to vulnerable adolescents and will act as a disincentive to engaging with appropriate therapeutical care.

The transViking fans should take a look at modern women fighters. I suspect they’d get short shrift from these women if they suggested they were trans:

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jul/19/came-to-fight-stayed-for-the-freedom-why-more-kurdish-women-are-taking-up-arms

And in the Guardian too.

To suggest that women warriors had the gender identity of males and would likely see themselves today as trans men is actually quite offensive.

And highly unlikely. Ten or twenty years ago this would have been a story about tough courageous women. Now academics are trying to squeeze history into a the straitjacket of a new ideology.

What new fuckery is this?

“Queer theory is an important part of archaeology and can help us understand the complexity and diversity of past societies.”

I think the Times might be pushing it a bit by calling Sacha Coward a "leading historian".

Claiming all Viking warrior women were trans is like saying all women who join the military must have a man gender identity.
They are trying to insert evidence where there is non to pretend this ideology is real and always been around.

Absolute bollocks.

'The length of time it takes to get a GRC is far less of a critical issue than the removal of a diagnosis of dysphoria. In so doing, they are opening up the process from a defined group to anyone and everyone with no checks or safeguards.”'

Yes. Six months or three months, makes.no fucking difference. Address the central issues, SNP. 70+% of the electorate oppose self ID. For a populist party this is a very, very odd tack.

Hoping very hard that the EHRC clarifies access and protections for single sex exceptions before this goes through.

Tedious, these apparent “experts” undertaking a bit of historical revisionism to fit their ideological narrative.

Vikings were trans - oh do fuck off

So they find the body of a female warrior and instead of celebrating this as evidence that women could, in some circumstances, be part of the warrior class in Viking society, suggesting, in some contexts, gender roles were not entirely as rigid as previously thought, they conclude 'she must be trans'. Lordy. Have they had a go at the Amazons yet?

I suppose that in their tiny little minds womanhood is defined by staying home and sewing his tunic, polishing his helmet and preparing to give him an almighty BJ upon his return from battle, all the time dreaming of a future century where they can define their appropriate femininity with pink, sparkles and unicorns.

We have all known for decades that shield maidens made up a significant proportion of viking warriors and yet now we are supposed to believe that they were all trans nah.
Although I am very pleased to hear that both of the judicial review verdicts are expected in the next couple of weeks, hopefully we will win both and that can be used to sink the SNPs self-id plans

Sacha coward describes themselves as a freelance museum professional and they specialise in LGBTQ experiences and queering history. How did The Times even find them? I mean genuinely if you were doing an article about vikings wouldn’t you go to an actual Viking historian employed at oooh I don’t know a university? Why would you go to a “museum freelancer”?

How did The Times even find them?

Sacha looks like Sacha is all over self-promotion - I suspect Sacha was the one who drummed up the publicity.

So Boudicca was trans then and Joan of Arc? How ridiculous, Coward’s well into gender stereotypes then.

I wonder why the comments on the all three articles have been turned off. The Times genderwoo articles are usually heavily commented

The SNP can fuck off to the far side of fuck.

Excellent work (as always) from MBM
mobile.twitter.com/mbmpolicy/status/1492400579854929922
murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2022/02/04/gender-recognition-reform-and-unanswered-questions/

And covered by the telegraph here www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/12/nicola-sturgeons-close-ally-urged-lgbt-groups-lobby-politicians/

Is very very relevant. The SNP do not understand the law they are trying to make/change & have not adhered to consultation requirements.

In a microcosm this is illustrated nicely by my MSP's office replying to my reply with a copy of the same original letter I was replying to

@Theluggage15

So Boudicca was trans then and Joan of Arc? How ridiculous, Coward’s well into gender stereotypes then.

Oh that claim has already beenmade about Joan of Arc.

qspirit.net/joan-of-arc-cross-dressing-lgbtq/