Gender dysphoria and autism

[Cocha]

Please I am interested to know if anyone knows the reason why there are a disproportionate number of autistic girls who are trans or non-binary. Perhaps someone who has some knowledge in this area might be able to explain?

Probably no one knows because no proper studies have been done

But the feeling of being different, of not belonging probably come into it

I don’t know any detail off the top of my head, but you might find some info here www.statsforgender.org/autism/

I'm an autistic woman and I'd hazard a guess it's because a huge number of us don't really "get" femininity. Lots of us also have sensory issues which can make us dislike make up or form fitting clothing or long hair.
We also struggle to fit in so badly. I was crying out for a peer group as a child and could never fit in anywhere.
I can imagine of I'd grown up under the gender cult, I would have also thought I was a boy or non binary.

I'm no expert but I'd say it's a reaction to the massive social pressure on girls and young women. Pressure to dress/look/act a certain way and unwanted attention. Hard for all teens but especially autistic teens.

That's interesting thank you ofwarren.

@Cocha

That's interesting thank you ofwarren.

I started senior school with really short hair and wore trousers. These days I'd have been asked if I was trans.

Could it also be that some autistic girls also feel that they are asexual and don't want or need to make themselves attractive to the opposite sex?

Ofwarren my child is autistic and non binary. They have a great group of friends who all seem to be nonbinary or gay/bi. I also think she would have struggled in the 70s/80s

There is a lot of negativity around trans but all the children accept her being non binary and her autistic traits these days. Not like in my school, maybe it's because we are in London

@Cocha

Could it also be that some autistic girls also feel that they are asexual and don't want or need to make themselves attractive to the opposite sex?

Totally. That's really common. I still feel like that now to be fair.

It's concerning if she needs to be trans/none binary to be accepted

If it's purely a label no worries but

So much "treatment " leads to sterilisation

It's great that they are accepting of her autistic traits. I wonder if they would be as accepting of her if she was just a non conforming short haired female rather than saying she's non binary?
Girls are being told they must be trans if they have short hair or wear trousers to school. I see it all over twitter.

Hmm yes, we have had that discussion. I've asked why can't she still be a woman, just a different woman because there are all sorts of women, she says she is a woman but that her gender is non binary

I'm just trying to understand what is autism and what is gender dysphoria and just generally getting my head around it all. I am lucky to have a happy child teen though

I know what the two things are but separating them from each other is what I am trying to understand

Obviously I can't say for certain but I'd put a bet on it all being autism.
Does she seem unhappy with her body?
I think most dysphoria manifests in girls saying they are boys rather than non binary. The ones who want mastectomy and hysterectomy.

You can only have gender dysmorphis if you first subscribe to the concept of gender

Ie you must first believe that there are none sexual characteristics associated with the sexes

That is learned behaviour

I'd separate gender and body dismorphia

I wanted to be a boy as a child/teen. Maybe it was because I didn't fit in with the girls at school? They were all quite girly, with long hair, playing "girly" games that I didn't like. I had short hair, hated wearing dresses and skirts, hated make up.

I desperately wanted a group to fit in with as a teen though. I had a few friends, but they had their own other groups of friends that I wasn't part of as I was the weird one.

Now imagine it was now and I found a group I could fit in with, who didn't conform to the gender stereotypes of girls. All I had to do is say I'm non binary/trans, and ta da, insist acceptance into a special group. Instant friends! Many who are probably also autistic, which is why they don't fit in, and are gender non conforming. But actually they're just autistic girls.

I'm pretty much the same now, don't fit in, hate make up (feels weird), mainly to be found wearing jeans and oversized hoodies (but will now get dressed up for nights out) Still a woman though. An autistic woman.

Yes some of the friends are gender non conforming and also autistic too. Males and females, all seem very nice and intelligent children

We're surrounding teen girls with the image of femininity as make up, heels, hairstyles, lashes, outgoing, flirty, sexually confident etc. There's very little representation of anything else. A quick Google and the answer to not being into this stuff is that you're actually a boy.

But she doesn't think she's a boy.

-If you feel like you don’t fit in (due to autism) and someone gives you an answer that explains why (you’re trans), then you grab it with both hands because you’re sick of feeling alone and rejected and you’re desperate to have something that explains why you’re the odd one out.

-If you’re non-gender-conforming or just not very social the girls will reject you, and the boys (who you have more in common with) won’t let you join them. But if you’re trans it opens the door to be friends with the boys.

-You go from being someone who is bullied and rejected (for being autistic) to being someone who is stunning and brave and everyone wants to be your friend, because you’re special and they want to virtue signal by being your friend. Why wouldn’t you choose the option where you can have friends and be included and accepted?

I’m autistic.
I wanted to be a boy from quite a young age - maybe 8 or 9.
Looking back I think it’s because no one told boys to put uncomfortable clothes on, or that they should look like a girl and play with dolls etc.
I was allowed to have short hair and mainly wore my brother’s cast-offs. It was the 80s so not an issue.

If I was a child/teen now with all the rigid gender stuff going on I can only imagine the distress.

Body changes at puberty made everything worse. I was very overweight, which also didn’t help. I was isolated.
Trying to picture how it would play out if I was going through that now -
If online groups accepted me I would have fully embraced it and would have defended them to death, illogical bonkers ideology or not.
If there was any chance of halting puberty and the changes that came with that I’d have wanted it wholeheartedly, no hesitation.
All the issues I had as a teen I would have been able to pin, obsessively, on being in the wrong body.
Every case I’ve read about a trans girl I can retrospectively relate to.

I grew out of feeling like this in my early twenties. If someone had asked if I feel like a woman I’d probably say no, I just feel like me.

I know so many autistic women who went through similar as a teen. Not one is looking back and wishing they’d been able to transition, all without exception is relieved to have grown up decades ago and bypassed it all.

It rankles that organisations such as the NSA have accepted gender ideology as fact, ignoring the many letters sent by people by me. Its heartbreaking to think of the number of autistic girls who will be damaged because asking any questions is “transphobic”.

@Cocha

But she doesn't think she's a boy.

She's still saying she's not a girl though.