Natasha Devon on LBC suggesting we are ‘terf island’ ***title amended by MNHQ***

[Gosports]

Don’t have time to listen, but a heads up for anyone who can.

Is she wrong? These very forums had to be split because GC "feminists" were overwhelming the board with trans talk to the virtual exclusion of any other topic.

She is very wrong, but this is a situation that requires immediate pushback. The GC fems I know also speak out against surrogacy, porn, the rebranding of prostitution, the recent deaths in Poland of women who have been denied abortions, misogyny in the police force.

Lets not pretend the trans issue is just one thing either, it's a free speech issue, its a child protection issue, it an issue for LGB people, it's a womens rights issue.

She’s as big an idiot as her brother

It's not Rachel Johnson having the "Terf Island" discussion, it's a substitute presenter.

Is she wrong? These very forums had to be split because GC "feminists" were overwhelming the board with trans talk to the virtual exclusion of any other topic.

And yes, she is wrong. Featured on this board today we have:

Raquel Rosario Sánchez is a writer, campaigner and researcher from the Dominican Republic. She specialises in ending male violence against girls and women. All areas of her work centre around this goal. Is she allowed to pursue this feminist cause? Are we afforded the opportunity to celebrate her work? No. She's attacked and bullied by TRAs, and so has to go to trial with her university for harassment. So that's what we have to talk about.

Girls/young women who want to pursue the sport they have dedicated themselves to - swimming. Are they allowed to be the icons to all females that they are, with their passion, dedication and determination? Are we allowed to celebrate their achievements? No. They have to fight TRAs, and one particular trans woman who is destroying all female records with male born bodied advantage and destroying their privacy and dignity in the shower. So that's what we have to talk about.

Rape Crisis. Are we allowed to talk about the work they have done to support victims of sexual violence and DV, praise their cause, fundraise for them, confidently refer our distressed sisters to them. No of course not, because it's been taken over by a MRA who wants to police the thoughts and language of rape victims. So that's what we have to talk about.

Girl Guides. Shall we talk about badges and smores and girls having cracking adventures without the male gaze and all the great women who give up their time and energy for free? No. Because we can't ignore the fact that this is now an institution that breaches the Equality Act and has thrown safeguarding out of the window to illegally accommodate "trans girls", a concept with no legal status. That's what we have to talk about.

And on and on and on.

Nobody here want to talk about transpeople. Unfortunately, the full frontal onslaught against women's spaces and our ability to talk about ourselves, the widespread institutional capture of Stonewall Law, Incel culture pervading every space, the harm being done to children (particularly young lesbians) and the shutting down of free speech in their name, makes you an idiot to ignore it, wilfully blind to the fucking massive elephant in the room and complicit in the oppression of women.

@LilithOfEden

It's not Rachel Johnson having the "Terf Island" discussion, it's a substitute presenter.

Natasha Devon.

Natasha has made up her mind.

If you want to read something by a cis woman who - a) has done actual research (as opposed to being radicalised by GC forums); b) knows & loves lots of trans people; c) crucially, works from the start point that trans women are women; Here you go -

twitter.com/_NatashaDevon/status/1436265893131079701?s=20&t=8dxrB_vjwvnemHvRO0y5pg

@Gosports

Don’t have time to listen, but a heads up for anyone who can.

Great, isn't it! Having watched New Zealand fall and seen the total shitdshow that is Canada I feeling strangely patriotic to be one of the terms of Terf Island.

Well quite a lot of people in this country are Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits so...

“OhHolyJesus

Devon's 9m monologue there was just a load of BS.“

Yes and entirely reliant on repeatedly saying “LGBTQ+“ when actually meaning TQ

According to her too people here are advocating for conversion therapy which is the actual torture of LGBTQ+ people.

She's saying that the feminists who are critical of genderism aren't interested in any other side of women's rights.

Think about it. That doesn’t even make sense

It doesn't make any sense because all feminists are gender critical.

Women are oppressed because of their biology. Gender is the way it's done.

@Gosports

Don’t have time to listen, but a heads up for anyone who can.

Are we in Greece? I feel like a Greek Terf Island would be good.

Is she wrong? These very forums had to be split because GC "feminists" were overwhelming the board with trans talk discussing, debating and raising awareness of their very right to name and organise themselves based on their biological reality to the virtual exclusion of any other topic
alongside all other topics.

Fixed that for you.

Yes and entirely reliant on repeatedly saying “LGBTQ+“ when actually meaning TQ

Even aside from this issue, this is one of my bugbears. Excess qualifiers - saying something longer when something shorter would be more accurate. It signals either deliberate obfuscation or lazy thinking.

Use of "LGBTQ+" in a statement almost always makes it less accurate or precise than using either "LGB" or "NBTG". There's so little commonality.

And that's even before you call an individual LGBTQ+. What a busy/confused person.

And then there seeing an individual being called "diverse"!? My mental image generator kind of short circuits on that one.

@ScrollingLeaves

“OhHolyJesus

Devon's 9m monologue there was just a load of BS.“

Yes and entirely reliant on repeatedly saying “LGBTQ+“ when actually meaning TQ

According to her too people here are advocating for conversion therapy which is the actual torture of LGBTQ+ people.

Exactly - and that's just stupid but these groups that have "popped up", who have been "advising government' include lesbians!

I'm sure Devon has her own mind and isn't simply a mouthpiece for Stonewall and MRAs but, based on that rubbish, I can understand if you got hat impression.

Terf Island. The new reality show.

I’m game.

I read the replies on the Twitter post. Young people that look exactly like the sex they were born but with pronouns in their names, saying in all seriousness, they want to move because they are too afraid to walk down the street in case they are murdered. Murdered by GC feminists no less. I can’t even be bothered to point out the absolute nonsense of this. I can’t be bothered to point out the core beliefs of any feminist. if you are so stupid you believe you are more likely to be murdered (for being a bloke dressed as a bloke) on the streets of Loughborough than you are in the Sudan then I can’t help you.

I've now listened to Rachel Johnson's podcast episodes of Difficult Women with Julie Burchill and Lionel Shriver. By the standards of hyperbolic numpties, who think women having a discussion about settled scientific concepts and sharing their own expertise and experience amounts to "radicalisation", Rachel Johnson is a gender critical militant preacher.

Yes, odd that you're here to complain about the purpose of the board, Seven, when as you say, there is another board for those who'd rather talk about other issues pertaining to Feminism. Why is that?

Celebrity Terf Island sounds like a series I'd watch.

@WheresTheJustice2

She's saying that the feminists who are critical of genderism aren't interested in any other side of women's rights.

Think about it. That doesn’t even make sense

Let's pick a couple of well known feminists who are known to be critical of genderism - Julie Bindel and Germaine Greer. Is she really suggesting that they are not interested in anything else?

I do understand sometimes how people can take a vague glance in this direction and think it's all we care about but I also think they are deeply misinformed and are missing the bigger picture.

If women as a distinct sex class are erased in law and in life and we no longer have the words or the ability to describe or tackle oppression then everything else is lost.

We lose this and we lose everything.

I've always found the TERF island insult interesting. The country were no Trans people have been murdered in several years, where refugees are dying to reach, where Trans people have employment rights, protection against discrimination etc...

Compared to countries where actual violence is happening, actual lack of rights, or where people are denied education based on their sex?

Is she wrong? These very forums had to be split because GC "feminists" were overwhelming the board with trans talk to the virtual exclusion of any other topic.
If you look at who the women are who are actually calling out this nonsense, you'll see the strongest voices are those who have dedicated their lives and careers to feminism and helping women. We've got the heads of anti-DV charities and shelters, those supporting women in prison, the women who marched against s28 and were there at the founding of pride and stonewall.
Despite all the smears, anyone looking at the women who are actually speaking up will see they are predominately left wing, many are lesbian and most have dedicated their lived to helping women.
When those women are all raising their voices and sounding the alarm, it means we have a serious, serious problem.

I feel this title is a bit unfair to Rachel, whether it's her spot on not.

Is she wrong? These very forums had to be split because GC "feminists" were overwhelming the board with trans talk to the virtual exclusion of any other topic

Yeah! Cos Monitors, women who don't think sex is an important concept and people who aren't women complained that they couldn't just scroll past!

What the hell else would you expect to be discussed on a forum that is excliusively about women's rights? Look up, look at the breadcrumb trail... Talk : Womens Rights

Where you say trans talk we say women's rights. And nobody here will apologise for discusing women's rights. So as TRAs are currently the greatest threat t women's rights then that is the main topic of conversation.

I am one of those who works for an anto DV charity. I have putlined just how much the relentless change in language, targetting of major fudning streams etc has affected the running of our service.

I will be hung for an actual fucking witch before I make any concessions to any men who want to use our single sex services.

Oh good, another of the Johnson family along to improve Britain. Epic.