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Child protection crises in NI (Stonewall partner The Rainbow Project & others)

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SexNotGenderNI · 04/02/2022 16:30

Stonewall partner with The Rainbow Project in NI. Remember Yaniv's all-ages topless swim events? Here's The Rainbow Project asking for donations to keep theirs going (they say 'wear whatever is comfortable'). We're putting in a complaint to the PSNI (who are captured) and to the Charity Commission (who we hope are not). Please share this far and wide. Shocking breach of child protection, and no-one seems to be noticing.

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Child protection crises in NI (Stonewall partner The Rainbow Project & others)
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CaptainSmartarse · 04/02/2022 16:36

Wow ! More red flags than Moscow in May !

Triphazards · 04/02/2022 16:49

It's not exactly going to be packed out with crowds of "intersex" people.

They just stick the intersex word in everywhere, to try to give transgender etc. some sort of medical authenticity by association.

Thelnebriati · 04/02/2022 16:50

Whats the deal with single sex sessions in countries with self ID? I assume they are effectively illegal.

DomesticatedZombie · 04/02/2022 16:57

Oof.

FOJN · 04/02/2022 17:01

How many of these events have there already been? The promo says they need funding to keep it running. How has this just come to light?

Are the people who organise these events DBS checked and are any of them required to undertake safeguarding training.

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SexNotGenderNI · 04/02/2022 17:06

@FOJN we have all the same questions. Shocking failure of all concerned - can't believe we're as bad as Canada on this one! Plain sight.

@theinebriati People are so scared of being accused of -phobia they don't question men in women's spaces even in places that don't have self ID. People have been sending us stories of that in NI leisure centres, for example. We're on to the press about it.

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SexNotGenderNI · 04/02/2022 17:07

@Triphazards We're very annoyed about that too. We've been sent 'training materials' (using the term loosely) by activists spreading awful nonsense about 'intersex' conditions too.

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barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 20:03

@Triphazards

It's not exactly going to be packed out with crowds of "intersex" people.

They just stick the intersex word in everywhere, to try to give transgender etc. some sort of medical authenticity by association.

Maybe intersex people would like to go swimming too without people gawping at them or accusing them of being in the wrong changing room?
Linguini · 04/02/2022 20:08

All intersex people are either male or female and most of the time obviously so.
Intersex people should use facilities designated for their sex, trans people should too.

It really isn't complicated.

Linguini · 04/02/2022 20:12

Anyway, I believe the correct turn of phrase has moved past "intersex" and onto "people with a disorder of sexual development" which I agree is more accurate.

People can't be "half way" or "in between" the sexes.
People of either sex can have developmental disorders.

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 20:12

@Linguini

All intersex people are either male or female and most of the time obviously so. Intersex people should use facilities designated for their sex, trans people should too.

It really isn't complicated.

Well it is if your appearance is not inline with whatever we've decided constitutes biological sex this week. Hence services like this, where intersex people can go swimming without having to worry about people accusing them of being in the wrong space.
barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 20:14

@Linguini

Anyway, I believe the correct turn of phrase has moved past "intersex" and onto "people with a disorder of sexual development" which I agree is more accurate.

People can't be "half way" or "in between" the sexes.
People of either sex can have developmental disorders.

Most intersex organisations still use the term.
Triphazards · 04/02/2022 22:05

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Goatsaregreat · 04/02/2022 22:20

Odd isn't it - no matter how many times the Intersex organisations ask, demand, plead with transactivists not to appropriate them in tra battles, they are always ignored. On and on it goes - the disrespectful treatment of the intersex community.

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 22:55

@Goatsaregreat

Odd isn't it - no matter how many times the Intersex organisations ask, demand, plead with transactivists not to appropriate them in tra battles, they are always ignored. On and on it goes - the disrespectful treatment of the intersex community.
It wasn't me who brought up intersex people on this thread. And I very much doubt intersex organisations would object to someone organising swimming sessions for intersex people.
barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 22:57

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You do know that most swimming pools are open to people of all ages don't you? Are they grooming sessions as well?
Rightsraptor · 04/02/2022 22:58

How interesting that trans etc people are allowed their own swimming sessions while women-only sessions are becoming verboten. Rather like the trans-only counselling sessions for dv/rape but similar for women only aren't permitted any longer.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 04/02/2022 23:09

Do you have evidence that children attend or are you just assuming from the phrase "people of all ages"? If it's just for adults or older teens I don't see what the problem is.

As for "wear whatever is comfortable" - so what? Presumably the pool has rules about what swimmers can wear - they're not going to be naked nor so encumbered with clothing to be dangerous to their safety. One of the people in the photo is wearing a T-shirt and it's likely that some of the swimmers will be self conscious and prefer to stay covered.

I'm too self conscious to go swimming so I can understand why they might be. It's no different to a women-only session or women wanting to wear 'modest' swimwear or burkinis without getting strange looks.

Plus it avoids the issue of transwomen in women's changing rooms, which is what we've been wanting

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 23:14

Just campaign for third spaces! And if you get them we'll accuse you of being perverts and try to get them shut down.

lanadelgrey · 04/02/2022 23:26

Sounds as if this is a third space and I sense a bit of pearl clutching as the main thing is that it need money to keep it running as there hasn’t been a huge take up. Some people want to swim and some, probably the larger part of any population don’t so only a few specific sessions ever work in a public pool. If say disabled swimming with hoists and carers in the pool as happened at my then local pool quite a while ago then the relevant local organisations from nearby boroughs all came.

terryleather · 04/02/2022 23:33

@Rightsraptor

How interesting that trans etc people are allowed their own swimming sessions while women-only sessions are becoming verboten. Rather like the trans-only counselling sessions for dv/rape but similar for women only aren't permitted any longer.
I know...funny that...
YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/02/2022 23:33

Well no. A third space, this space, for adults to swim in whatever gear they want, or no gear if that takes their fancy, is fine. Go for it. The key here is ‘all ages’ alongside the suggestion that some swimmers may choose to swim in very little or even that children might be swimming in very little, with adults. That was clear in the initial post. I’d seriously wonder about safeguarding and what is implemented to protect those under 18.

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SexNotGenderNI · 05/02/2022 10:15

Exactly, Spartacus.

This is a 'trans only' event (yet appropriates 'intersex' as a subset of trans, when DSD advocates have indeed been asking for quite some time that trans activists not do so).

This means that 'non-trans' parents aren't able to attend.

Public swimming pools are indeed all ages, WITH PARENTS OR GUARDIANS PRESENT. That is vastly different from a private, no-parent all-ages session.

The information clearly states they privately book the pool and changing rooms. Again, no parental presence for any kids, and no single-sex provision.

DSD-friendly swim sessions, either for adults, or for kids but with standard parental supervision (whether or not parent has DSD) would be wonderful, if not already a thing. That is not what this is.

This thread has been useful to highlight ignorance around safeguarding, and how as soon as 'trans' is added to something, it is treated as not being subject to the same safeguarding standards as anything else. Which is, of course, the basic premise of queer theory - that boundaries should be weakened or dismantled.

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SexNotGenderNI · 05/02/2022 10:17

PS Safeguarding is also about raising issues as soon as they are identified, to prevent harm being done. You don't wait until you have evidence that harm has already been done before raising the alarm; that is a collateral damage approach. No child should be collateral damage to an ideology.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/02/2022 10:26

I haven't seen anything that says that parents are not able to attend (?)

My worry would be the age group where parents would not normally attend - so 14 or 15 upwards.

I imagine that the pool has a rule about the minimum age of attendance without parent or guardian supervision.