Sunday Times Magazine: Carrie Grant

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Anyone seen the SubdayvTines piece on Carrie Grant & her family?

She has 3 daughters who are now non binary/trans & all are neuro diverse. Very interesting article about how they have navigated it as a family. I don’t have a share token as my paper is, well, paper. Happy to do screen shots though.

I haven't read it yet, but read a previous piece. I was shocked at how they were exposing their children to so much publicity. So many things that should be between them and their GPs only. Sad for the kids, hope they're OK......

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I could not read that stream of twaddle. "I am the only female left in the family". The woman is totally out of touch with reality!

Along the way there have been countless challenges, from racism and bullying to mental health problems. All their children have additional educational needs and some are neurodivergent — their conditions include autism, ADHD, dyslexia, dyscalculia and dyspraxia.

Those kids need parents who are grounded in reality.

I attempted to read it but managed about a quarter

She periodically wheels her children out for articles like this

I don’t know who it’s meant to help….

I find the casual use of the term ‘deadnaming’ in the article (or full stop) really horrible. My colleagues son actually died this week. Properly died. Forever. Dead is forever.

Deadnaming is such a crass term.

@Theeyeballsinthesky

She periodically wheels her children out for articles like this

I don’t know who it’s meant to help….

How much do the Sunday Times pay for an interview like this?

Can't think of anything nice to say so I'd better not say anything.

Awful awful people who have been exploiting their children for ££ for years. I am not reading the article.

I read all the way through and the part that stood out to me even more than all the gender woo is how she speaks about her adopted son. "I'm really committed to helping this child." It just seems detached. I've gotten the impression that she is struggling hugely with the needs of her little boy due to his pre-adoption trauma. I suspect the whole family is. And all the children, starting with the youngest daughter are on a subconscious level leaning into the gender woo because of it. The fact the oldest kids present in a completely feminine way yet claim to be NB/trans, is like they are demanding special attention for no reason other than a want of attention.

I wonder even if they fact the family adopted a son after having three daughters created something in Arlo's mind that made this kid think that if they were a boy the whole family would have been happier. Even if none of that is true, it would have been something a good family therapist would surely consider and work through.

What are the odds? Isn’t there a Hollywood actress with with two (adopted) trans children ?

How much do the Sunday Times pay for an interview like this?

They won't have paid anything. The Grants have got a book out, so the publisher's publicity people will have approached the paper asking for an interview.

Note that the interview is by Sian Griffiths, who has done a number of stories on the trans issue. She manages to include a lot of contextual information in the piece about things like the rise in children referred to GIDS. I'm fairly sure she's gender-critical.

I found something quite disturbing about the parents' attitudes. There's one bit where Grant describes her children as being more enlightened (can't remember the word she uses) than her and her husband. I am extremely wary of parents who defer to their children as if they've forgotten who the adults are.

Grant seems to recognise the connection between a child being autistic and identifying as transgender - but without making any kind of logical deduction about why this might be the case.

She also describes being subjected to a savage physical attack by her adopted son, who has clearly been traumatised by early life experiences. I wonder what the impact of introducing this traumatised child into the family has been.

They are worryingly close to the Oasis Academy Trust and church network and I think they influence its stance on trans issues.

Mentions the children suffering gender dysphoria, attachment disorder, suicidal ideation, depression, self-harm, eating issues, autism, DMDD, and seeing therapists.

I think speaking about their adopted son's DMDD is actually more valuable than all the trans stuff.

Very good point.

This couple come across as lacking in understanding of the real issues re their children's MH but make up for that by talking utterly dangerous, made up crap fot publicity/money. Really depressing, wish they would apply some efforts towards ASD awareness and childhood PTSD. Frighteningly influential.

They won't have paid anything. The Grants have got a book out, so the publisher's publicity people will have approached the paper asking for an interview.

The article says that they are writing a book about their experiences. I can't find anything about a publication date. They do have a book out in May this year. It's called 'First 30 days of walking with Jesus'. I don't think that was mentioned in the article.

@McDuffy

I attempted to read it but managed about a quarter

Same here. I have no interest in this family. And it was about twice the length of a standard Times article.

She is trying to maintain her standard of living in a very crowded marketplace, a crowded marketplace where youth and newness is elevated.

I read the article and a few points struck me as ironic - including the bit where Carrie says children/young people 'self diagnose', Sian then points out that the son had a 'professional diagnosis'. As PP says, Sian did well to provide context but I'm furious that Grant's claim of the 2 year wait for the medical transitioning of children allows them to think things through, juxtaposed with Keira Bell's story, it was infuriating. What dangerous spin. David also said he would support a medical transition but one of the daughters said it was spiritual and not about the physical. I would put money on at least one of their 3 daughters having a double mastectomy in years to come. I'm also wondering if the adopted son started acting violently around the same time that one of the other children began changing their name (one changed from Olivia to Olive - revolutionary!) and started having preferred pronouns. How disturbed that poor boy must be. Did it happen in his early childhood or is it a recent thing, and does it help for him to be exposed in this way?

There was a thinly veiled comparison with racism and homophobia, when referring to her own parents and it was very much leaning on the listen to your kids, Be Kind and the re-education of those who actually parent their children. Then saying you should explore the behaviour with your kids and not shut down conversation (I think in their parental tips section) but they affirm their daughters being neither male nor female so how is that and exploratory discussion? That's just abdicating parental responsibility.

Along with this book they are visiting schools with this "mental health and well-being festival" called Now and Beyond.

Check with your schools parents.

To be clear, the self-diagnosis I understand to be about autism and other similar conditions and Grant seems to be criticising this, but self-identifying as something you cannot be - neither female nor male - was totally fine.

I wonder if her three daughters felt in any way that the standards of their very glamorous mother, who wears make up and dyes her hair, in an industry where maintaining her image is key, had any influence on them. The article mentioned their father doing household tasks not stereotypically associated with men/fathers, so if that's relevant, could the same be said of the mother meeting certain beauty stereotypes?

Google shows Grant and hubby have quite a wee cottage industry going on re their family.

This however is by far the most interesting fact about her.

www.crohnsandcolitis.org.uk/about-us/ambassadors-supporters-champions/ambassadors/carrie-grant

www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/697576/Carrie-Grant-Crohns-disease-health-condition/amp

@MrsJamin The Church is the one influencing the family.Oasis is very pro-trans
www.openchurch.network/blog/watch-why-the-church-should-offer-radical-trans-inclusion

Is that the same Oasis that runs schools, the Oasis Academies, that local Authorities allocate 11+ children to as if they were ordinary secular schools?

@KittenKong

What are the odds? Isn’t there a Hollywood actress with with two (adopted) trans children ?

There are several- Charlize Theron, Kristin Davis, Sandra Bullock, Busy Phillips