Sunday Times Magazine: Carrie Grant

[AgathaMystery]

Anyone seen the SubdayvTines piece on Carrie Grant & her family?

She has 3 daughters who are now non binary/trans & all are neuro diverse. Very interesting article about how they have navigated it as a family. I don’t have a share token as my paper is, well, paper. Happy to do screen shots though.

Cher, Jamie Lee Curtis (?)?

Add Angelina Jolie to this list.

The Grants have done a certain amount of good work about the fact that schools are not a good place for many neurodivergent children. But I can't agree with their stance on this. My daughter is autistic and non gender conforming, thank goodness that she hasn't yet fallen down the gender rabbit hole but it is her neurodiversity not the fact that she is somehow not a girl anymore that makes her gender non conforming.

Hardly rocket science that a girl who has a diagnosis of social communication issues doesn't follow the trend or communicate very well with other girls. Hardly rocket science that a girl with sensory issues who doesn't like the feel of most clothes dresses for comfort not fashion and doesn't like the feel of hair styles or make up that most girls like.

None of these things mean you are not a girl.

UGGGHHHH sorry this really gets to me because my vulnerable autistic daughter is so at risk from this nonsense.

I thought Angelina’s kid has seemed to grow out of the ‘tomboy’ phase (I don’t thing they called her a boy did they?) like Richard Bransons daughter. Girls - who like my sister preferred ‘boys clothes, toys and activities’ even a boys name but grew up happy in their female body.

Who was the US rapper whose daughter came out as trans - then later came out as a female lesbian, putting it down to get father’s homophobia (so he preferred to have a trans son than a gay daughter). I felt very alert for her.

@KittenKong

I thought Angelina’s kid has seemed to grow out of the ‘tomboy’ phase (I don’t thing they called her a boy did they?) like Richard Bransons daughter. Girls - who like my sister preferred ‘boys clothes, toys and activities’ even a boys name but grew up happy in their female body.

Who was the US rapper whose daughter came out as trans - then later came out as a female lesbian, putting it down to get father’s homophobia (so he preferred to have a trans son than a gay daughter). I felt very alert for her.

I thought seen something on facebook that suggested that Shiloh had spent a period of time as a 'boy' and was now detransitioning, i may have that wrong though.

The kid used the name John I think, but hey my sister has a boy name too. She even tried to bestow one on be but I drew the line at that.

Shiloh was never trans - it was the media who spread the rumour that she was. Angelina even spoke out about it, I thought, and called the media vultures for claiming her DD was trans when she wasn't.

Shiloh Pitt was ever trans. She was allowed to present herself as she wished. It was the woke crowd who decided she was trans, because, you know, short hair, boys clothes 🙄

As for Carrie Grant, I do wish vulnerable children had some protection from being exploited by fame-hungry parents. The way they are bandied around to show how amazing David and Carrie are is sickening.

My sister would so have been ripe for this as a child.

Luckily my parents chose to find it all quirky and sweet - and bought her action man and let her have her hair cut short and wear ‘boys’ clothes.

My sister was an enigma. Very much "boy's toys", no dresses etc, happiest when up to her knees in mud but also burst into tears when having her hair cut because she couldn't reach round her back and feel the bottom of her hair.

I don't agree in the article where they say that the lockdown had been positive as it had allowed many trans children the space and time to find out who they were.

@Needmoresleep

Is that the same Oasis that runs schools, the Oasis Academies, that local Authorities allocate 11+ children to as if they were ordinary secular schools?

Yes, Oasis run a number of schools which are allocated alongside any other school in the area.

@KittenKong

The kid used the name John I think, but hey my sister has a boy name too. She even tried to bestow one on be but I drew the line at that.

Brad Pitt was on Oprah years ago, and said Shiloh liked "being called John or Peter, it's a Peter Pan thing." Brad and Angelina, whatever else you might think of them, clearly saw their little girl using her imagination, playing at characters and copying her big brothers and thought that was exactly what she was doing. Instead of being dragged into the idea that their child was trans and using her for woke points.

It makes a huge amount of sense actually because Brad and Angelina are both actors and actors, writers, directors, etc often have extremely developed imaginations, which first show up in children as an ability to engage in highly detailed, ongoing imaginative play. So both of these adults probably looked at their child and saw their own childhood behaviours reflected back. Even if they never switched gender roles in childhood play, they probably remembered enjoying highly immersive, long-term character role-play. And thought, hmmm, that's what our little girl is doing too, isn't it cute. Then unfortunately in the world we live in, activists jumped on this child's play as a sign that this little girl was a super-poster child for early transition. Egg is on their faces though, as she grew up into a perfectly averagely feminine expressing teen girl. Just going to show exactly how important it is to allow children to enjoy their imaginary play and then grow up into teens and adults who feel a normal amount of ease in their bodies.

@Wanderingowl

I read all the way through and the part that stood out to me even more than all the gender woo is how she speaks about her adopted son. "I'm really committed to helping this child." It just seems detached. I've gotten the impression that she is struggling hugely with the needs of her little boy due to his pre-adoption trauma. I suspect the whole family is. And all the children, starting with the youngest daughter are on a subconscious level leaning into the gender woo because of it. The fact the oldest kids present in a completely feminine way yet claim to be NB/trans, is like they are demanding special attention for no reason other than a want of attention.

I wonder even if they fact the family adopted a son after having three daughters created something in Arlo's mind that made this kid think that if they were a boy the whole family would have been happier. Even if none of that is true, it would have been something a good family therapist would surely consider and work through.

Great post. Spot on.

Ds used to like to be a dog when he was little.

@Needmoresleep

Is that the same Oasis that runs schools, the Oasis Academies, that local Authorities allocate 11+ children to as if they were ordinary secular schools?

I presume you mean as if they were non-denominational or CofE schools? There are very few secular schools around. The default is non-denominational even if they are practically secular.

Lovelyricepudding, I just remember a neighbour being unhappy a decade or so ago when Academies were just starting to happen and Oasis were invited to take over the running of an ordinary non religious local secondary. Her DC had been allocated there and she was unhappy as she actively did not want a religious school. Plus there were local rumours about fundementalism and links with creationism. No idea whether any of this was true, hence my curiousity.

Naomi Watts also has a trans child.

Needmoresleep I don't know about oasis, my point was schools in England are with few exception not 'non-religious' - they are Christian non-denominational. Though I agree in practice most are pretty much secular, even if they are Church of England schools. But I guess that then makes it more difficult to object to schools that do promote a specific religious ethos.

3 daughters, all trans… what are the chances eh!

Yeah, I think when all of your children have serious problems you need to think about why that might be, rather than running to the press to publicise your "parenting tips" and share details of a looked-after kid's trauma-induced behaviour.

Social services would usually be taking a peek wouldn’t they?

@Needmoresleep Yes its the same.Oasis is actually a huge global operation "Since its foundation Oasis has also developed into a family of charities now working on four continents (11 countries) around the world, with the goal of delivering housing, education, training, youthwork and healthcare" And I might add heavily involved in trans -inclusion.

The whole church is captured by the trans ideology - this is written by Steve Chalke, the founder of Oasis. In the blurb:

In this book Steve Chalke explores the human issues behind the headlines and, learning from the example of the first Christians, suggests what he believes the role of the Church should be.

“The Gender Agenda holds within it the promise of extending understanding and love.” Canon Rachel Mann (trans identified vicar)

"For Christians who are curious, open to a mindset change and who want to be an ally to our LGBTQIA+ community or indeed those who are in our LGBTQIA+ community this is a beautiful book to read." Carrie Grant MBE and David Grant MBE - they aren't just influenced by this church, they are influencing it.

@MondayYogurt

Mentions the children suffering gender dysphoria, attachment disorder, suicidal ideation, depression, self-harm, eating issues, autism, DMDD, and seeing therapists.

I think speaking about their adopted son's DMDD is actually more valuable than all the trans stuff.

I didn't read the article and I wish the family well. But if my children suffered from this list of issues, I'd think twice about putting them in a popular newspaper supplement for the whole country to read about.