Wes streeting interview

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www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/30/wes-streeting-labour-mp-interview-christianity-cancer

Asked directly about David lammys dinosaurs hoarding rights comments “one of the things men have always underestimated is the sense in which women have felt like they are being told to be quiet which is why In this context it is incendiary”

Maybe Labour are trying to edge back….

Basically admitting this is a men's rights thing.
He's obviously being used as or using himself as the experiment on this. If he starts to poll well personally on this, the other TRA supplicants might start on this better language.

I don't trust his motivations. During his last interview he sounded more like he thought women should be brought on board in more subtle ways rather that respecting different opinion
And I find it hard to trust the opinion of anyone who has worked for Stonewall

He knows.....

He's obviously being used as or using himself as the experiment on this.

Yep.

I think this could be the start of change, although it is going to take a lot to be able to trust Labour again.

Yes that’s my sense Bellini. He’s gay & worked for stonewall so can’t instantly be hit with “TERF” or not understanding the issues. If he gets a lot of support then I expect there will be more cautious edging back probably linked to the EHRC statement

The man is a slimy twat and will say whatever he thinks will give him the most air time.

This is all very interesting. I'm thinking now about Brexit (I know), I am remainer but when KS came out with his batshit crazy idea of how to get another referendum, it coloured my view of him and I believed then and now, that he couldn't make a real decision on a controversy. I will be interested to see how women's rights are going to be protected by the LP without masses of caveats and 'get out of jail free' language such as 'all women'.

Pretty words and right direction Wes, but is this for real? Watch out for uses of the word woman and progressive. Time will tell and I have my fingers crossed but I am not, at this time, swayed

I don't think he's genuine, but I do think it's a sign that Labour have started to realise that women have walked away from them over this and that they need us back.

@Itonlytakesonetree

The man is a slimy twat and will say whatever he thinks will give him the most air time.

Agree wholeheartedly . Well said

Basically, let the little ladies have their say and then crack on. No, Wes. This isn't because we're nagging wives feeling ignored or unappreciated. You won't turn us round with a few soothing, empty words. This is because women are in danger. We are right, you are wrong, there's no getting round that. Even you backing down completely and totally apologising for your mistake isn't good enough now because your credibility is gone and the Tories will have a field day at the next election.

I don't believe in golden bridges for politicians.

They’ve seen which way the wind is blowing and are changing tack. Wes is a career politician with ambition, so is ahead of the rest. Do I trust him? No. Do I think Labour has ‘got it’ yet? No, Do I trust them not to enact self-ID at the first sniff of power? No. Does Wes saying pretty words undo the last 5 years of Labour shitting on women raising concern about this? No. Will I be voting for my incumbent Labour MP at the next election, as I have done previously? Unlikely. They’re going to have to work a damn sight harder to women that they’ve disenfranchised over this issue and Keir needs to show leadership on it, not send out some media and party friendly pipsqueak to test the water.

Win back women ^

I think Wes will probably tell women to be quiet in a more polite way.

Aside from the gender stuff, he does actually sound like a breath of fresh air. And a lot better then the current entitled lazy liar in Downing Street.

Would I vote Labour headed by Streeting rather than "It's not nice to speak the truth" Starmer? Dunno. Jury's out.

Do I trust him? No. Do I think Labour has ‘got it’ yet? No, Do I trust them not to enact self-ID at the first sniff of power? No. Does Wes saying pretty words undo the last 5 years of Labour shitting on women raising concern about this? No. Will I be voting for my incumbent Labour MP at the next election, as I have done previously? Unlikely. They’re going to have to work a damn sight harder to win back women that they’ve disenfranchised over this issue and Keir needs to show leadership on it, not send out some media and party friendly pipsqueak to test the water.

This is where I am too.

@PearPickingPorky

Do I trust him? No. Do I think Labour has ‘got it’ yet? No, Do I trust them not to enact self-ID at the first sniff of power? No. Does Wes saying pretty words undo the last 5 years of Labour shitting on women raising concern about this? No. Will I be voting for my incumbent Labour MP at the next election, as I have done previously? Unlikely. They’re going to have to work a damn sight harder to win back women that they’ve disenfranchised over this issue and Keir needs to show leadership on it, not send out some media and party friendly pipsqueak to test the water.

This is where I am too.

Precisely this.

A start, possibly - but much more needed. Because right now I don't trust Labour one iota.

I don't see the relevance of his short stint working for Stonewall several years before they radically changed direction and moved from campaigning for LGB rights to LGBT rights, which as we all know now means mostly T rights. That was in 2015, the year Streeting became an MP.

I like the sound of him, just on the basis of that article - I know little about him otherwise. I'm particularly drawn to his centrist stance and his pragmatism. The Labour Party is never going to win an election unless they try to appeal to a broad swathe of the electorate, the way Blair did. The Tory Party is in disarray at the moment and does not deserve to win another election for many years, but somebody has to form a government, and for some people even with everything that's gone on it's better the devil you know.

The Corbyn years are going to take a lot of living down.

I'd love to be able to vote Labour again. It was the party I voted for in every election for the first half of my adult life and I was ecstatic when they finally ousted the Tories in 1997. It's been a while now since I felt able to vote Labour and I'm sad about that.

'Does he believe in biological sex? “Yes, of course,” he says. Does he think it’s helpful for his colleague David Lammy to accuse women with concerns in this area of being “dinosaurs” who were “hoarding” their rights? For a moment, he is silent. Then he says: “One of the things that men have always underestimated is the sense in which women have felt like they’re being told to be quiet, which is why in this context it is incendiary.” Since he spoke to Robinson, he says, he has been pleased to find that some of his female parliamentary colleagues have felt able to come and talk to him about their concerns.

Behold. A man telling us how women feel.

Fuck off, Wes.

@SwissBall

I think Wes will probably tell women to be quiet in a more polite way.

Yes. He'll learn exactly how far to tilt his head and the correct depth of a frown to pretend he's listening.

Yeah I am reminded of the letter I sent the Labour Party, and the emails and the returned membership form referencing my questions about ‘TWAW’. They were all ignored. No reply to anything.

And now we have sex crimes recorded as being against women. Biological men in women’s prisons and women’s sport full of transwomen beating women’s records.

The poor poster who doesn’t want her teenage daughter to share a bedroom with a biological boy and is being tarred as a bigoted transphobe. No one on that thread of 1000 posts can give any good safeguarding advice apart from bleating ‘case by case’ basis. Women ARE collateral damage for the TRAs. They do not care. They do not want it spoken about.

The way JKR has been treated for stating the above.

Yeah women are angry. No it will take more than that for me to vote Labour again.

I find this very funny, too little too late, for Streeting, Starmer, there is really nothing any of the Labour lot could say to undo the damage already done.

Women and our concerns have been consistently and continuously ignored and dismissed. Does anyone actually think our memories are that poor that we cannot remember the past couple of months let alone years of this? Hilarious!

No golden bridges here either. Maybe 18 months ago. Not now.

Well, if I thought anyone in the LP actually gave a fuck about how women feel or genuinely wanted to help women, I'd be delighted to make golden bridge. All I hear is men talking loudly about how we feel how we ought to feel and occasionally Angela's voice shouting 'scum'. Or Lisa Nandy on women's prisons.

It's not a party that seems to have women anywhere on its agenda, in its culture or in its aims.

Streeting was part of Lily Madigan's Facebook group "Labour Against Transphobia", which existed (I'm quoting from Glinner here) "to name women in the party they deemed to be 'transphobic' and supply evidence of their supposed crimes. The information was then fed to Labour Party officials with the aim of having the accused members expelled. ... The resulting hit-list of over 30 women included several prominent feminist names, Linda Bellos and Stephanie Davies Arai among them. Two of the women featured, Jennifer James (who was crowd-funding a legal challenge to Labour’s policy allowing trans-identified males on to women-only shortlists) and Venice Allan, were suspended from the party."

From the first screenshot I've attached, he looks to be the only MP - and therefore in my eyes, the most senior - member of this Facebook group. (from twitter.com/msjenniferjames/status/955251812185059329?s=20).

Fuck off Wes.

OK, that puts a different complexion on things.

I don't think he's genuine at all. Was't he in a Facebook group for Labour Party members wanting to expel Terfs?

But the leadership of the Labour Party has slowly and dimly started to grasp that women are very very unhappy about its support for self-ID. And that far from being a handful of radical feminists with very niche views that can be ignored, there are millions of us and we are absolutely fucking furious.

And now they're thinking: "Oh. We don't really want to lose these women's votes. Perhaps we'd better be a bit more conciliatory." So they send Streeting out as someone who is acceptable to TRAs and, they imagine, might be acceptable to women too. He's young and gay and fresh-faced so they probably think all of us ancient TERFs want to mother him.

Well, they can go and shove their conciliatory words up their fat, hairy asses.