Inquiry into massive increase in girls seeking gender reassignment.

[Gildersleeve]

Hi all,

I'm sure some of you are aware that a few years ago the Gender Equalities Office was tasked with investigating the steep rise in girls being referred for gender reassignment (over 4,500% in about a decade), does anyone know anything about what became of that inquiry?

(Link: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inquiry-into-surge-in-gender-treatment-ordered-by-penny-mordaunt-b2ftz9hfn)

I'm researching gender dysphoria in girls and I'd love to know if the govt have got anywhere with it. I've emailed the GEO and Penny Mordaunt (who ordered the inquiry) but haven't heard anything back.

If you know anything, please can you share!?

Many thanks!

My guess is that the trans lobbyists located in the civil service, NHS and government have done their best to prevaricate and delay. The data about this will blow the ideology out of the water when the impact of social contagion is identified and these adults are desperate to involve as many children as possible before they're found out.

The GEO stalled and stalled on this - saying they'd put out a tender for research, and then never doing so. Eventually this was added to the remit of the independent Cass Review:

"Exploration of the reasons for the increase in referrals and why the increase has disproportionately been of natal females, and the implications of these matters"

cass.independent-review.uk/about-the-review/terms-of-reference/

Unfortunately 4,500% is about 4x(?) more percentage points than actual people. It actually equates to around 50% increas per year starting at very low numbers. Makes for good Times headlines. BTW numbers of young people identifying as LGBQA have also risen sharply... Maybe its becuase they mistakenly thought it was safer to do.

It's sad if children feel they need to take an identity just to feel safe

"Official figures show the number of girls being given gender treatment has risen from 40 in 2009-10 to 1,806 in 2017-18."

From the Times article linked by PP, the underlying numbers behind the percentage rise.

@DisgustedofManchester what statistics are you using for the claim that the number of children identifying as LGB, Q or A has also risen sharply?

(Assuming that Q is "queer" and "A" is "asexual"?)

BTW numbers of young people identifying as LGBQA have also risen sharply... Maybe its becuase they mistakenly thought it was safer to do.

I agree that the LGB is at risk, due to the tactics of gender ideology and transactivism. Trans the gay out really is a thing. Trans kids are generally pretty safe as well, until the doctors, teacher and tra's gets hold of them that is. Then they are on the pathway of serious life long damage to their bodies. Which is appalling.

@anothersmahedmug

It's sad if children feel they need to take an identity just to feel safe

So true. I guess kids often followed the crowd as it felt safer to be in that place. Who knew that the crowd would become so dangerous.

what statistics are you using for the claim that the number of children identifying as LGB, Q or A has also risen sharply?

I think these are the most recent national statistics: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality/bulletins/sexualidentityuk/2019

"An estimated 1.4 million people aged 16 and over in the UK identified as lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB) in 2019 - a statistically significant increase from 1.2 million in 2018 - continuing the trend we have seen over recent years.

“People aged 16 to 24 continue to be the most likely to identify as LGB, however the proportion of older adults identifying as LGB, while much smaller, is also increasing.”

Unfortunately 4,500% is about 4x(?) more percentage points than actual people. It actually equates to around 50% increas per year starting at very low numbers.

The figures are given in the article in the OP.

Official figures show the number of girls being given gender treatment has risen from 40 in 2009-10 to 1,806 in 2017-18.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inquiry-into-surge-in-gender-treatment-ordered-by-penny-mordaunt-b2ftz9hfn

An increase from 40 to 1806 is an increase of about 4500%. Averaged over 8 years (the timespan quoted in the article) this is actually an increase of about 60% per year (not 50%), but I'm not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to give us a lesson on how exponential functions work.

And I have no idea what you mean by "4,500% is about 4x(?) more percentage points than actual people". Can you explain?

If you haven't already, read Abigail Shriers book "Irreversable damage".
I will give you some insight as to why this is happening

An increase in one year from 1.2 million to 1.4 million 16 to 24 year olds of both sexes is about a 17% increase. Nothing like as sharp a rise as the number of girls only receiving gender treatment.

“People aged 16 to 24 continue to be the most likely to identify as LGB, however the proportion of older adults identifying as LGB, while much smaller, is also increasing.”

Is identifying as LGB the same as being LGB, or does it refer to something like coming out, or realising you are LGB?

So if you identified as L when you were 16 is that essentially an action you do once or is it a continuous state of being?

I guess I can't quite work out why they haven't used "are LGB" and if it's saying/ asking something subtly different?

What is the difference between being a lesbian and identifying as one? Or is it the same thing with this survey?

What does this mean?
Unfortunately 4,500% is about 4x(?) more percentage points than actual people.

Does it mean that the stats imply 240 (4x60) million girls were referred to gender clinics? The times is doing a really bad job then.

Or are you saying 4500 is roughly 4x1000 so directly comparing %age to number of girls involved? So you mean it's more 2.5 times more (4500/1800). Which means you are inflating the factor to almost double to make it seem ludicrous?

Or is the percentage right but you prefer we don't use it because it puts reality under a harsh light?

I personally prefer the raw numbers. 40 to 1800 is sobering but I really have no understanding what that first sentence was supposed to convey.

@UltraVividLament

An increase in one year from 1.2 million to 1.4 million 16 to 24 year olds of both sexes is about a 17% increase. Nothing like as sharp a rise as the number of girls only receiving gender treatment.

In the same period 2018/19 -2019/20 the number of referrals to GIDS went from 2743 to 2748. The large increase in cases has, as predicted, stopped: gids.nhs.uk/number-referrals

@Gildersleeve

Have you listened to this podcast? This one was especially pertinent

gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/52-gender-dysphoria-detransition-research-a-conversation-w-dr-lisa-littman

The referred cases in Sweden dropped off because it’s becoming apparent that there are some very troubled young women there who’ve realised they are women after all, despite the fact that they’ve been irrevocably damaged by testosterone and surgery.

I daresay the same thing is occurring in the UK.

Coinciding with a major court case.

It’s not open to dispute that referrals of females to gender clinics has risen significantly over the last 10 years, all the gender clinics themselves admit it, the question is why. And gender clinics don’t seem interested in that.

Ignore barleybadminton and DoM, they don’t care about the teenage girls this involves.

I'll be really interested to know what the outcome of your enquiry into the research shows up @Gildersleeve.

The fact that it appears to have been sidelined is going to, again, be part of the story.

So very interested to know what you find out.

Hi OP, this resource might be helpful:
www.statsforgender.org/

@NotBadConsidering

Coinciding with a major court case.

It’s not open to dispute that referrals of females to gender clinics has risen significantly over the last 10 years, all the gender clinics themselves admit it, the question is why. And gender clinics don’t seem interested in that.

Ignore barleybadminton and DoM, they don’t care about the teenage girls this involves.

Quite likely because trans men were all but invisible until very recently, and many people didn't even know transition in this direction was an option. I have a trans man friend who had no idea trans men even existed until he was 18 years old and googling to try and find out what was going on with him.

[quote MrPanks]Hi OP, this resource might be helpful:
www.statsforgender.org/[/quote]
That's a very interesting collection of research and statistics, @MrPanks thanks for the link.

As a teenager if I could have identified out of female oppression and harassment then I would have done! I imagine the teens who didn’t want to know me would suddenly be falling over themselves to demonstrate their woke credentials by including me. Because ostracising me is no longer just bullying - it’s discrimination. No idea about the investigation sorry, but I can understand why the issue is happening.

Here's Dr David Bell talking (in the Nolan podcasts) about the terrible outcomes for girls (and boys) when gender extremists unthinkingly affirm them as being the opposite sex while failing to recognise and treat their other mental health issues like eating disorders, self harm, anxiety etc. He used to work in GIDs :

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09yk7dh

Some figures point to trans people being about 1 in 100,000, if two children in the same class (or even school) were both trans the likelihood would be 1 in 10,000,000,000.

Therefore I surmise that they aren't actually trans, but labelling themselves due to peer pressure/social media/trendiness etc.

In the same period 2018/19 -2019/20 the number of referrals to GIDS went from 2743 to 2748. The large increase in cases has, as predicted, stopped

Oh really?

So.... a pandemic had nothing to do with the lack of people going to doctors in general, let alone going to get something as complex as a GIDS referral?

No.... it was a turn in the tide say barely