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Kate Clanchy - poet - is 'cancelled' by her publisher

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ArabellaScott · 21/01/2022 14:23

Picador are unpublishing - ceasing to distribute - all of Clanchy's books. The article says 'by mutual consent', but it's not a good thing to hear a poet/author being 'cancelled'.

Literature/poetry is not in a healthy state right now.

unherd.com/thepost/picador-cancels-poet-kate-clanchys-books/

In case you missed the brouhaha - Article from last year:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58151144

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ArabellaScott · 21/01/2022 16:46

The issues around Clanchy’s book are:
She denied accurate quotes from her book were in there, and launched a coordinated attack on two women of colour who had respectfully drawn attention to them
She was supported by her publisher and the mainstream press to defend herself, while the women who had tried to open a debate were harassed, abused and - yes - cancelled.
Clanchy did not apologise for anything in the book but it was withdrawn by her publishers for an edit.

It seems we've heard different accounts! Have you got links to this history, or reports on it, at all?

FWIW I've seen quotes from Clanchy that were almost self flagellating. I would have thought they were apologies? :

'Clanchy tweeted on 9th August that she would be re-writing parts of her book and also apologised for the way she reacted to criticism, which originally came via negative reviews on Goodreads. Clanchy had previously highlighted the reviews on Twitter and claimed some of the disputed passages were not in her book or had been taken out of context.

She said: "I've been given the chance to do some re-writing on Some Kids. I'm grateful: I know I got many things wrong, and welcome the chance to write better, more lovingly. To people saying I shouldn't centre myself in the kids lives: I agree. I've been worrying about this for years.

"I hope you will be able to see them better, now I am knocked off my pedestal. And I apologise too for over reacting to the Goodreads reviews. It was wrong. I don't really have an excuse, except that I am bereaved and it takes people in different ways.

"I am not a good person. I do try to say that in my book. Not a pure person, not a patient person, no one's saviour. You are right to blame me, and I blame myself."'

www.thebookseller.com/news/picador-apologies-profoundly-over-response-clanchy-criticism-1274975

  • denied accurate quotes from her book were in where?
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ArabellaScott · 21/01/2022 16:47
  • ah, you mean these goodreads reviews, I take it?
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APileofLogs · 21/01/2022 16:57

@artificialhells summary is correct- I know Kate a little and followed all this as it happened, including feeling outraged on her behalf when she claimed on Twitter that people were making up quotes (which she herself at the time described as racist), until it was revealed that the quotes in question did genuinely come from her books.

Her books are interesting and her intentions were good but there is no question but that they contained language which is othering at best and a white saviour theme which might have passed fifty years ago but really had no place in books being published today. I think all of that might have been fixed with a good editor and a bit of self-examination. However, the way she handled it all was so appalling, particularly lying about the books and encouraging hostility towards the people who had commented on GoodReads, that I think this outcome is the right one.

LolaLouLou · 21/01/2022 16:59

Yes my child with SEN is "unconsciously odd". I say this from a place of love and I love his 'oddness'.

ArabellaScott · 21/01/2022 17:13

Thanks, artificalhells and APileofLogs for filling in some extra history.

I mean, she definitely has apologised. I haven't seen the rest of the arguments/history.

The point about editing and whether the response is proportionate is important, though. Someone acting like an arsehole isn't a good reason to cancel all their books. Especially not given some of the terrible behaviour of some authors, over the years. What kind of an atmosphere did all of this take place within?

Authors/writers have a long history of arguing and falling out and contention. Some of our literary traditions are built on it!

So I'm not convinced this is the right or a good outcome. Clanchy is a fine poet and the literary world will be poorer without her work in it.

Couldn't the book have been reworked, conversations had?

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DontLikeCrumpets · 21/01/2022 17:13

@thinkingaboutLangCleg The girl referred to as having "almond shaped eyes" has strongly defended Clancy and saying she has always described herself as having almond-shaped eyes.

artificialhells · 21/01/2022 17:21

Here is an article by Monica Rajesh, one of the women who was involved;

www.theguardian.com/books/2021/aug/13/pointing-out-racism-in-books-is-not-an-attack-kate-clanchy

(Sorry, it was three women of colour, not two - I have covid and am not quite with it!)

I mostly followed this as it played out on Twitter and in private conversations within the industry but will see if I can find any other articles

ArabellaScott · 21/01/2022 17:25

Thanks, artificial. Sorry you've got covid, hope you feel better soon. Don't exert yourself if you're not well!

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artificialhells · 21/01/2022 17:26

@ArabellaScott I think you’re right to the extent that the industry as a whole is rotten, and Clanchy is being used as a scapegoat when her behaviour is representative of the wider problem, but she is not of course wholly responsible.

APileofLogs · 21/01/2022 17:39

I definitely think Picador have handled all of this badly, originally publishing the books as they were and now dropping Kate completely. It could all have been handled much better, both by Kate and her publisher. I honestly think if Kate herself hadn't drawn this to the world's attention by claiming the quotes were made up, nothing would have happened, it would have been a few negative reviews on GoodReads which she could have taken into account in her next book or not, as she chose.

I should add that the focus on "almond eyes" is quite misleading. Although that was one phrase picked out, others included a girl described as "very butch looking...with a distinct moustache", "Izzat so small & square & Afghan with his big nose & premature moustache", and numerous physical descriptions of children's bodies in relation to race- "Cypriot bosoms", "Ashkenazi nose" etc etc, plus a lot of classist/fatphobic stuff: “Lianne is stuffing fig rolls, my favourite, into her pretty fat face, & it is very hard indeed not to have one. I can manage it, I think, in the same way that I can manage to finish a poem, because I am middle class. Because, since I was a tiny child, I have been taught to wait for long-term goals" and "She wasn’t a pretty girl, even by the standards of the IU, even if she wasn’t making a terrible face. She was fat, a swathe of freckly flesh bulging out from her collar, blurring her jaw line, giving her premature double chins” and "“As if refusing middle-class food along with middle-class ambition, Danielle put on weight… her new bosom protruding ever more bulbously… I was surprised how hurt I was to see it. It wasn’t the flesh so much as the loss of grace” (remember she is describing one of her pupils here).

cassandre · 21/01/2022 17:44

She denied accurate quotes from her book were in there, and launched a coordinated attack on two women of colour who had respectfully drawn attention to them

That line about 'coordinated attack on two [three] women of colour' isn't true. She attacked a young white woman teacher who had reviewed her book on Goodreads and had condemned it as racist. And that attack was pretty cringeworthy. But once Twitter took her to task (Monisha Rajesh, Chimene Suleyman, Sunny Singh and others), she apologised. She never attacked women of colour.

Rajesh/Suleyman/Singh have said that they received racist hate mail as a result of the way they criticised Clanchy on Twitter, and that's deplorable, but it's a HUGE leap to say that Clanchy herself was somehow responsible for those attacks.

I was following the whole messy saga on Twitter very closely, and it strikes me as utterly unjust the way that Clanchy's unconscious bias in her book (which she did eventually apologise for) was equated with the awful racist messages Rajesh, Suleyman and Singh received behind the scenes from internet trolls.

I believe those three women when they say they were targeted by racists, but on Twitter, I never saw them receiving hate, I saw them receiving a huge amount of support.

I did see tweets telling Clanchy she should commit suicide because she's such an awful person.

Clanchy appealed for people to come out and say her book wasn't racist, and that move backfired spectacularly, but I haven't seen a single tweet of hers criticising women of colour. On the contrary, she apologised to women of colour.

I agree with you, OP. Picador ceasing to publish all her books, not just the book at the centre of the controversy, is complete overkill. Ironically, one of the books they've 'cancelled' is compilation of poems by the refugee pupils Clanchy taught.

This kind of intolerance and virtue-signalling is not making the world a better place.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 21/01/2022 17:46

It would put me off wanting to be published by Picador more than it would put me off reading Kate Clanchy, at any rate.

ArabellaScott · 21/01/2022 18:43

Yes, well, I think writers probably keep lists of which publishers treat their authors well and which don't.

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ArabellaScott · 21/01/2022 18:50

Thanks, cassandre, for further clarification.

I was a bit confused by the Guardian article, which seemed to accuse her of anti semitism over saying someone had a 'Jewish nose', when a correction notes she said something different. Maybe this was something Clanchy said she was accused of that wasn't actually said? Much hearsay, I suppose, without seeing the original tweets involved.

I think suggesting that a comment on the shape of someone's skull is in any way akin to 'eugenics' is nonsense, I'm sorry. It may be in poor taste; I don't think I'd pass comment on something like that, but to suggest it's racist seems to be assuming much about the writer's intent that I'm not convinced is there.

And to dismiss her for saying she was 'frightened' as a 'racist trope' is not only bullshit, it's dangerous. To dismiss a woman's feelings because she is white is absurd.

That anybody gets threats & abuse over all of this is, of course, appalling.

I wonder if things would be much improved if social media were to disappear tomorrow.

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EishetChayil · 21/01/2022 18:54

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

What's offensive about "almond-shaped eyes"? It's a simple description of an eye shape. And how is it a "racial trope", when it's seen in people of various ethnic backgrounds? I'm genuinely baffled by this.

It's historically been used to otherise Chinese, Japanese, and Korean people.

Clanchy also referred to an "Ashkenazi nose", which cut particularly deeply for me, as a Jew.

Unless you've been on the receiving end of racist/anti-Semitic/other negative stereotypes, I suppose it's hard to see how hurtful it is to come across them in a book.

EishetChayil · 21/01/2022 18:59

[quote DontLikeCrumpets]@thinkingaboutLangCleg The girl referred to as having "almond shaped eyes" has strongly defended Clancy and saying she has always described herself as having almond-shaped eyes.[/quote]

This doesn't make it ok.

If someone said of me "she has a hooked Jewish nose", and it didn't offend me, that wouldn't automatically make it inoffensive.

I'm actually quite surprised at posters on this thread continuing to defend Clanchy even as more and more evidence for her wrongdoing is mentioned.

whiteworldgettingwhiter · 21/01/2022 19:00

I'm normally not a fan of anyone being cancelled, but some of the quotes from Clanchy's book were awful, completely unacceptable.

I'm amazed the publisher, desk editor, commissioning editor, copyeditor or proofreader didn't pick up on the problems before the book was published.

whiteworldgettingwhiter · 21/01/2022 19:01

And she's not being 'cancelled' - the publisher has just decided to end their contract with her. She's free to seek another contract.

EishetChayil · 21/01/2022 19:02

I'm quite honestly staggered that it was published in the first place. Some of those descriptions of pupils upthread are disgusting.

whiteworldgettingwhiter · 21/01/2022 19:11

Check this out on why it's not good to describe people as if they were food - writingwithcolor.tumblr.com/post/95955707903/skin-writing-with-color-has-received-several

TedMullins · 21/01/2022 19:12

It’s the right decision. The fact that the publisher originally stood by her when three women of colour were relentlessly hounded and ignored speaks volumes. If people of colour say something is racist, it is absolutely not the place of white people to tell them they’re wrong.

WakeUpLockie · 21/01/2022 19:17

I am halfway through Some Kids I Taught… and have found it so insightful! The language can seem othering but isn’t that kind of the point?? It’s pointing out their disadvantages and there’s a whole section about how private schools are essentially whitewashed and exclusionary. It’s the state of the country isn’t it?

EishetChayil · 21/01/2022 19:20

@WakeUpLockie

I am halfway through Some Kids I Taught… and have found it so insightful! The language can seem othering but isn’t that kind of the point?? It’s pointing out their disadvantages and there’s a whole section about how private schools are essentially whitewashed and exclusionary. It’s the state of the country isn’t it?
Are you honestly ok with descriptions like this?

“Lianne is stuffing fig rolls, my favourite, into her pretty fat face, & it is very hard indeed not to have one. I can manage it, I think, in the same way that I can manage to finish a poem, because I am middle class. Because, since I was a tiny child, I have been taught to wait for long-term goals" and "She wasn’t a pretty girl, even by the standards of the IU, even if she wasn’t making a terrible face. She was fat, a swathe of freckly flesh bulging out from her collar, blurring her jaw line, giving her premature double chins” and "“As if refusing middle-class food along with middle-class ambition, Danielle put on weight… her new bosom protruding ever more bulbously… I was surprised how hurt I was to see it. It wasn’t the flesh so much as the loss of grace” (remember she is describing one of her pupils here).

What if that was your daughter being described?

tropicalsound · 21/01/2022 19:27

@IvyTwines

Picador is part of Pan Macmillan now. They currently have this on the opening page of their website!
I don't understand what the problem with this is?
NoSquirrels · 21/01/2022 19:42

Couldn't the book have been reworked, conversations had?

The thing is, publishing is about people and relationships at its heart.

Her editor supported her, got dragged for it, then publicly ate humble pie.

How can Kate then work well with him?

I think it probably is ‘by mutual agreement’, in that the whole relationship between publisher and author has broken down.

She won’t remain unpublished. Someone else will take on and publish her poetry compilations.

Whether ‘Some Kids’ gets republished will be debatable.

The whole thing has been a lot of wrong moves on a lot sides. No one has come out covered in glory, frankly.