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"any pronoun"

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 19/01/2022 18:17

Got a work email from a CEO of a health organisation and she had
"name"
"CEO (any pronoun)"

at the end of it. Am feeling very cheered by this.

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generaljake · 19/01/2022 18:33

That’s pretty good. I was chairing a seminar today and was asked if they could add my pronouns. I said no. I was the only speaker/panellist without them. Wish I’d said (whatever you like).

Linguini · 19/01/2022 18:33

Well maybe, so long as the health organisation they are CEO for actually recognises women and girls, I don't mind how they signal their affiliation or non-affiliation of the pronoun principle.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 19/01/2022 18:38

I am not sure that "any pronoun" is necessarily supportive. It is not uncommon to go down that route if you believe in gender identity. It also has "pronouns aren't important", "why all the fuss" vibes about it, while simultaneously supporting the idea of a complete social change on the conventions on how we address people. I don't like it.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 19/01/2022 18:41

How is this good?
I don't expect 'any pronouns' I expect the correct pronoun. I'm a woman and expect the correct pronoun not any pronoun.

generaljake · 19/01/2022 18:51

Hmm. Ok. Point taken.

crazyjinglist · 19/01/2022 18:52

I dunno. I can see points in favour and points against. At least saying 'any pronoun' emphasises that calling someone by the wrong pronoun isn't literal violence. Maybe she shpuld have put: 'Pronouns.... well, I'm a woman - i.e. adult human female, so 'she' and 'her' are correct, but I won't try and cancel you if you get it wrong'. That's a bit of a mouthful though .

ErrolTheDragon · 19/01/2022 19:04

@generaljake

That’s pretty good. I was chairing a seminar today and was asked if they could add my pronouns. I said no. I was the only speaker/panellist without them. Wish I’d said (whatever you like).

I think 'no' was exactly right in that context.

BlueberryCheezecake · 19/01/2022 19:50

Sorry to break it to you, but many trans/non-binary people use any pronouns so if you're imagining this means they endorse your anti-trans views, you're likely mistaken.

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2022 21:05

@generaljake

That’s pretty good. I was chairing a seminar today and was asked if they could add my pronouns. I said no. I was the only speaker/panellist without them. Wish I’d said (whatever you like).

'no' is a good response, imho.

Awkwardy · 19/01/2022 21:07

All this spittle-flecked outrage must be exhausting for you Blueberry. Why don't you have a sit down?

donquixotedelamancha · 19/01/2022 21:55

if you're imagining this means they endorse your anti-trans views

@BlueberryCheezecake Why is telling people to announce their pronouns in a work setting 'pro-trans'?

Sonex · 19/01/2022 21:59

'No' is awesome

FeckTheMagicDragon · 20/01/2022 06:36

I said ‘no’ again this week. No one had a conniption or threatened suicide. It was all quite banal to be honest. 😊

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 20/01/2022 08:04

@BlueberryCheezecake

Sorry to break it to you, but many trans/non-binary people use any pronouns so if you're imagining this means they endorse your anti-trans views, you're likely mistaken.

I am pleased to hear that many trans/non-binary people use any pronouns, as that means they are willing to utter a variety of pronouns in conversation, appropriate to the situation.

However, I'm a trifle intrigued by the implication that the remainder are only willing to utter specific pronouns. Does that mean they refuse to use neopronouns about others?

KittenKong · 20/01/2022 08:23

Well I saw someone on twitter announcing theirs as ‘clown’ and I don’t think they were joking…

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2022 08:40

I (⬅️pronoun!) am happy to use any pronouns in my (⬅️pronoun!) speech: relative, demonstrative, personal, indefinite, object, and so on, and so on.

There are so many different types. Their (⬅️pronoun!) use is determined by the conversation, governed by rules of English language.

Imagine a particular group of people who felt that other types of pronouns needed to change and we (⬅️pronoun!) all had to obey lest they (⬅️pronoun!) get upset. It (⬅️pronoun!) would be unsustainable. So why are we (⬅️pronoun!) caving to the demands of anyone (⬅️pronoun!) regarding particular personal, possessive and object pronouns?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 20/01/2022 08:51

I have very strong feelings about the misuse of reflexive pronouns. To wit, stop it.

highame · 20/01/2022 08:54

me too

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 20/01/2022 08:55

@BlueberryCheezecake

Sorry to break it to you, but many trans/non-binary people use any pronouns so if you're imagining this means they endorse your anti-trans views, you're likely mistaken.

Tell me how the he'll you've come to the conclusion this is anti trans? How?

Jeez Blueberry I really hope you invest this degree of time and energy into supporting women and girls too. The buzz you put into screeching "transphobia " as often as you do could power a small town for a week.

ANameChangeAgain · 20/01/2022 09:02

I am cheered by "any pronoun", I am also cheered by no, they, she, he. The problem with having to announce your pronouns is that everyone (see above) will over think and over analyse your response. If you don't play along then you are sending a message of either not showing solidarity with women, not showing solidarity with transwoman, or opening in yourself up to sexism. We can't win, which is why the announcing of pronouns needs to stop. I would have just deleted anything under my name and position.

crazyjinglist · 20/01/2022 09:03

I (pronoun!) am happy to use any pronouns in my (pronoun!)

Ahem. 'My' is a possessive adjective, not a pronoun.

ANameChangeAgain · 20/01/2022 09:04

The buzz you put into screeching "transphobia " as often as you do could power a small town for a week. ha ha, this could solve a few green energy issues?

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2022 09:08

@crazyjinglist

I (pronoun!) am happy to use any pronouns in my (pronoun!)

Ahem. 'My' is a possessive adjective, not a pronoun.

Well, it may have been previously, but now you’re point out my mistake I am demanding that “my” is a proper possessive pronoun from now on and if you disagree that’s literature violence.

generaljake · 20/01/2022 09:25

The irony (paradox?) was that this was a conference focused on diversity, one of my main critiques of which as an agenda is that it sometimes encourages acceptance of rules and norms which are not always that progressive. As I say, I was the only speaker/panellist not to use pronouns out of about 30. I wonder if anyone noticed. Fortunately, it didn't make me feel less included .

PaleGreenGhost · 20/01/2022 09:46

I quite like this and would consider using if pressurised to put something. To me it acknowledges the pressure, assures the reader they have indeed attended re-education camp, and truthfully there are more important issues than pronouns.

I would also quite like this if a trans person used it too. Why wouldn't I? I know our plopping misogynists like to imply that all trans people are out of control woman-haters but I know that's not true. Just as not all religious people are fundamentalists. I'm extremely tolerant of different beliefs. It's the one good thing about living in London imo. The problem I have with any belief system is when it becomes extreme and leads to actions and demands that harm others. This tends to happen when the extreme beliefs intersect with power ie male /white /private school /University educated /police force /politician /journalist.

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