Peter Tatchell says bisexuality will be the new normal for many

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^In the future, as homophobia declines, most people will no longer define their sexuality so rigidly and exclusively. The boundaries between gay & straight are already blurring. Bisexuality will be the new normal for many.'

Really, Peter? I see this has attracted outrage from a number of gay men and lesbians already, and quite right too.

Denis Kavanagh on Twitter is on fiery form. twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1482103455460339713?s=20

As a straight woman, I look on at his weird shenanigans with incredulity. Does he have no judgement, no insight, no common sense? He was the best known gay rights campaigner in the country a few decades ago. What happened?

I’m straight I’m damned if I’m going to to say I’m bi sexual for a woke idea.

Holothane Lesbians have been told they need to 'learn to cope' with hetero sex so as not to distress male people who identify as women. And the head of Stonewall likens being homosexual and stating your identity and preference to being racist.

Yes, I agree with you. I'm homosexual, and anyone who has a problem with me setting boundaries about my own body... it's going to go on being their problem. I seem to remember something about 'acceptance without exception'. But apparently, like most of this politics, it only applies to some and not others, separating the world into two tiers. The givers, and the takers.

I’m speechless how dare some one say this about lesbians I’m appalled I really am.

In his dreams

Hate to break it to you Arabella, but we're not in a relationship.

That's why she said "reminds me of" not that she actually is in a relationship

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Hate to break it to you Arabella, but we're not in a relationship.

That's why she said "reminds me of" not that she actually is in a relationship

That particular poster constantly has comprehension issues

In such a hurry to get in what they think is a gotcha or zinger they don’t actually read the original post properly (or indeed at all)

I tend to try and give the benefit of the doubt. So it's either rushed and poorly grasped because of careless reading or yes, a comprehension issue. The third possibility is being offensive on purpose, I hope it's not that.

Offensive on purpose requires a bit of forethought and the ability to think on your feet

So I reckon youre right…its not the third possibility

So, Tatchell has taken up having sex with women?

🤔

@Melroses

So, Tatchell has taken up having sex with women?

🤔

Presumably 🤣

Ok I found the actual tweet and started looking at article he posted with it.

It's a what if, and his view as to what might be is fair enough.

I do think the author is way way too optimistic though. Like. Sorry fella. Sounds good to be less hung up with sexuality labels. That stuff. But sadly not going to happen any time soon. The way I see things going.

Optimists are happier though so for that I'm happy for the author

The piece gives context for the tweet. He really should have put a could or a might or something in though. But. Clicks I suppose.

I'm not fussed about all of this tbh. Nothing to get worked up about from where I'm sitting.

mobile.twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1481604496534945795?cxt=HHwWhoCymZLc248pAAAA

Excerpt from linked piece-

'Yet now, perhaps, we are at a place where these labels may be holding us back. There is something truly freeing about the concept of a sexuality that no longer requires a label; where individuals can live and be accepted without defining their sexuality. If homophobia is increasingly vanquished, the need for specific communities based on sexual orientation and the need to advocate for our specific legal rights look set to decline. When we reach a stage of human evolution, where we are no longer being denied and abused because of our sexuality and the world becomes more accepting, it seems likely that people will become less fixated on “gay” or “straight” and instead identify (if at all) somewhere in the middle'

Plenty to discuss in the actual piece if anyone wants to?

@Helleofabore That was Foucault who tried to get age of consent abolished in France. Kinsey himself has said that it shouldn’t disturb children to have sex with adults, it’s only societal judgment that makes child adult sex harmful.

@CheeseMmmm Interesting that you think normalising child abuse is nothing to get worked up about.

I disagree with him. Labels don't hold people back when they just identify preferences. I'm not held back by the label heterosexual and don't want it blurred to bisexual as, for me, that would be a lie.

Tatchell is saying nothing that people like Kinsey haven't said before. I think sexuality for many is a spectrum and it shouldn't matter what sex of adult you have sex with at any time. It's your own business and no one should be prosecuted for it but I also don't think you should get special diversity points either. Ideally in our society it will cease to matter. I think a lot of people are attracted to both sexes but few are equally attracted to both sexes, most people are near the ends of the spectrum.

[quote AutomaticMoon]@CheeseMmmm Interesting that you think normalising child abuse is nothing to get worked up about.[/quote]
Where do you get that from my comments?

Enough, have you read the piece?

Why do you conclude even just from the tweet that it means anyone, eg you, will be somehow considered as bisexual when you aren't?

And you're not disagreeing with him. You're disagreeing with the article he was (poorly) summarising in a few words.

Disagreeing is obv fine. If you have read the thing you're disagreeing with.

I assume there's an awareness of the toll globally and historically of socially enforced heteronormativity?

Whether subtly, fairly obviously, or in your face?

Sorry rephrase not sure comprehensible.
The massive harm done to untold numbers of humans globally and through history, and that is still a huge cause of suffering now. Due to societal/religious/traditional etc views about heterosexuality Vs other sexualities. And about what heterosexual relationships should be like.

Plenty of straight people have had same sex experiences. They just don't broadcast it.

True as well.

Things at the moment are really strange.

I've seen arguments about things like. Can you be a lesbian really if ever done anything with a man? You must be bisexual. It's wrong to call yourself a lesbian.

I also realised when Schofield recently said I'm gay.

That given wife years however many kids. Saying I'm gay is a real massive kick in the teeth for her. That he never fancied her, never wanted her sexually.

I mean I have zero idea about him but I remembered Freddie, Elton j both gay having had LTR with woman.

Schofield on TV when is child it wasn't exactly the 30s or something.

That's just something I thought oh at.

And I thought in general. Not specifically about any of those 3 men.

Gay is a much more definite and respected orientation than bi.

If well known, I am certain saying I'm bi would be met with less cheering than I'm gay.

Someone similar situation to PS, I reckon if said bi. Lots more questions. Why leaving wife? Why are you telling us? What does leaving wife have to do with being bi? What if actually going on here...

When I worked in hiv job govt 90s.

Relevant literature etc used men who have sex with men. Because plenty men who consider themselves straight, do have sex with men.

The labels are to describe a group that has certain issues etc because of something they share.

Now it's the word that describes that's the key, and arguing over who qualifies.

That's just. Missing the point, petty, and frankly weird.

[quote AutomaticMoon]@Helleofabore That was Foucault who tried to get age of consent abolished in France. Kinsey himself has said that it shouldn’t disturb children to have sex with adults, it’s only societal judgment that makes child adult sex harmful.[/quote]
I was referring to Foucault.

Tatchell has also referred to ‘intergenerational sex’ as sometimes being beneficial to children and also referred to it has not always harmful.

Foucault also believed these things.

Obviously they are not the only ones, of course. My question was rhetorical though. I know this part of Foucault’s contribution to the world. Peter Tatchell is often crossing lines into unacceptable views yet get rolled out as a media resource and still is talking directly to children about sex ed. I cannot understand why the media continue to give him any attention at all.

What concerns me about this new wave of pushing at boundaries is that it appears to have done a lot of undercover work first and used Denton's as its guide and insisting gay be inclusive of Q+. However, no matter how 'normalised' Peter Tatchell et al think paedophilia can become, there is a complete disregard for how people feel. Young people aren't likely to feel paedophilia is normal just because someone says it is, or just because educators think wider discussions on sex will normalise. Nasty.

There'll be too much pushback and people will be very suspicious of those pushing this ideology