BBC Doctor on people with a prostate

[ChristinaXYZ]

twitter.com/xandvt/status/1481594948176818176

Our two great institutions, the BBC and the NHS, combine for the above video clip and twitter discussion

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

Always great to see major public health figures throw people with learning disabilities, people with English as an additional language, and other people who need language to be plain and clear, under the bus in order to pander to a tiny group

tbh, I can't begin to tell you the number of times I raise the issue (in context) of people with learning disabilities in a healthcare context and people try to pass it off as a minority issue. That's when I ask them how many (say) adults there are in England with learning disabilities and how many of them are severe; how many live in supported accommodation, how many in residential facilities, how many live with family etc.

I've never yet had someone who knew or had ever thought to check their assumptions about minority numbers.

This can't be stated too often. The obliteration of the needs of other protected groups who are significantly vulnerable in favour of some narcissistic individuals is shameful.

In today’s prostate cancer coverage I think the guests were better in that they gave at least some hints using words like “father” and “brother”.
The male presenter said “one in eight of us” will have prostate cancer. What’s his name? gethin Jones? I would think it’s less than one in sixteen of his audience. But maybe the non-prostate havers aren’t included in “us”? I understand that “One in eight” males are thought to have this cancer at some point in their lives.

@musicalfrog

Truly in 10 years time when our kids have grown up with this, how are they going to know if they have a prostate or not?

They'll ring their GP for clarification of course. Just like Dr XVT suggested!

(Can you imagine?)

Well if they start the call now the phone might be answered by then!

Interesting and informative piece with not" a person with a prostate " being used instead of man. Even ends with presenter exhorting " Gentlemen get it checked"

I made a complaint to the BBC on this - just received this. We need to keep complaining.

I got the same reply @DevonTF

It's an improvement but I still think if they use that language there will be some women left wondering if they fall into the latter category.

I'd love to know how many complaints they received on this.

Looks like they took complaints to heart. Do you think they'd do the same for women's health issues?

@musicalfrog - 100% agree. Sick of the nonsense they get away with. I think we need to keep complaining.

Did anyone complain about their segment in December - on the covid vaccine, where Dr Xand referred to pregnant persons ?

I made a complaint to the BBC on this - just received this. We need to keep complaining

I complained about the article the bbc put out on prostate cancer which refused to name men as the sex class affected.

I.got quite a different response. Mine basically said that because prostate cancer UK state prostate cancer affects men /transwomen/non binary males that they stand by their use of the word people.

So in otherwords confessing that as everyine else does the dirty work they can be woke.

[quote DevonTF]@musicalfrog - 100% agree. Sick of the nonsense they get away with. I think we need to keep complaining.

Did anyone complain about their segment in December - on the covid vaccine, where Dr Xand referred to pregnant persons ?[/quote]
I didn't see that but I would have.

We went to see Operation Ouch live recently. I'm glad I didn't know about all this before hand or I would have spent the whole time begrudging the money I spent! As it was, it was a brilliant show. But I'll never see him in the same light again and it's made me feel quite sad tbh. I wonder what his brother's take on it all is.

Has the tweet been deleted?

All this genitalia labelling is infantile, dehumanising & stopping men and women accessing healthcare appropriately due to confusion

@musicalfrog they're both very woker than woke on this - rainbow flags and pronouns a-plenty.

Shame cos it does sour their superb Children's TV content... I just hope Mr Grumbles remains secure in his biological knowledge of sex.

Apart from being dehumanising, and confusing for target audiences, this way of classing people as prostate-havers, people with cervixes, people who menstruate etc isn’t useful anyway, as there are now plenty of males who ID as women, saying that they DO have cervixes, periods and so on. (I haven’t seen any females claiming to have prostates but it can’t be far off.)

So it just descends into even more meaninglessness. The only way to do it is to have a clear definition of male and female. (which trans people do understand, or they wouldn’t be able to identify as trans)

So am I to take from this that as someone who was born without a prostate I am so how defective?

Male anatomy and health is so less talked about. Women have periods, go on the pill, get pregnant, have smears etc, we are used to our anatomy but I can see men out there who simply don’t know if having a prostate is one of those things like being able to roll your tongue. It’s something you either have or don’t have.

All he needed to say was ‘if you were born with a penis then you have a prostate’. The word man could have been avoided and everyone knows of they were born with a dick or not, no matter how they identify now.

Some men might not know the English word penis. To be truly inclusive you have to use the word man and anyone else born male.

@UltraVividLament

Q. "Which people have prostates, Doctor?"

A. "Anyone who has one! I don’t understand the question. Unless you’ve had it removed or were born without one then I’m talking to you!"

What craven nonsense. I used to quite like the Van Tulleken twins when they were cheery young docs on kids TV, but Xand at least seems to be morphing into a rather unlikeable middle aged man. Of course he understands the question! He's chosen to mangle language and be remarkably unclear in order to make sure he stays the right side of a particularly vicious set of witch-hunters looking for wrong thinkers.

Where exactly was this written? I'm thinking this could be worthy of a complaint to the GMC on the basis of discrimination and need solid facts to complain about.

I'm disappointed in Dr Xand about this. He's not thick and needs to stop behaving like he is.

@megletthesecond

I'm disappointed in Dr Xand about this. He's not thick and needs to stop behaving like he is.

I think it's because Dr Ronx who he works with on Operation Ouch is NB so it's a bit too close for comfort.

But he deleted his tweets by the day after so I think he realised the mess he'd got himself into.

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee it was a direct quote of his Twitter feed. Someone asked the question and the answer was given, verbatim as I've quoted it by Dr Xand. I wish I'd got a screenshot of it, because Dr Xand did delete all of the bonkers tweets afterwards.

yy Do I think that's the problem 😬.

[quote UltraVividLament]@Whatiswrongwithmyknee it was a direct quote of his Twitter feed. Someone asked the question and the answer was given, verbatim as I've quoted it by Dr Xand. I wish I'd got a screenshot of it, because Dr Xand did delete all of the bonkers tweets afterwards. [/quote]
Pretty sure someone has a screen shot of it somewhere!

Couple of his tweets