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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Doctor on people with a prostate

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ChristinaXYZ · 13/01/2022 12:55

twitter.com/xandvt/status/1481594948176818176

Our two great institutions, the BBC and the NHS, combine for the above video clip and twitter discussion

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Porfre · 13/01/2022 21:29

What an absolute pillock

Porfre · 13/01/2022 21:32

By pandering to the few he may as well have not appeared for all the good he did.

Truly in 10 years time when our kids have grown up with this, how are they going to know if they have a prostate or not?

UltraVividLament · 13/01/2022 21:34

What an arrogant tool. The tired old "but DSDs..." argument for why there are more than two sexes. Dropped in as if no one else had ever thought of it before.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/01/2022 21:39

He's made himself look completely ridiculous.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/01/2022 21:40

Pahahaha what an absolute bellend he’s made of himself

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/01/2022 21:41

That pompous, patronising reply above Confused "the biology of sex is so much more complicated than people imagine" sounds like that stupid "science teacher" clownfish Facebook post that people cite as an example of great wisdom.

DevonTF · 13/01/2022 21:57

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10344519/TV-doctor-Xand-van-Tulleken-repeatedly-refers-mothers-pregnant-people-Morning-Live.html.

It is only a few weeks ago where he refused to say women.

Utter shameful tosser.

StillWeRise · 13/01/2022 22:14

[quote littlbrowndog]He should read this and see the damage he does by calling pregnant women pregnant people

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR1GmMyg9yC58i3SargXSSpsw1NgaVoD6raB8cz40YuEgx9VxFTr5A4m4OQ[/quote]
excellent article, thank you

FannyCann · 13/01/2022 22:49

I guess we have to be grateful for the absence of another annoying tv doctor, who has gone somewhat quiet on twitter since being successfully sued by Arlene Foster. Not to mention the struck off one.

BBC Doctor on people with a prostate
Enough4me · 13/01/2022 23:51

I forgot about big-headed Christian love myself, where's the mirror Jesson.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/01/2022 01:38

“littlbrowndog

He should read this and see the damage he does by calling pregnant women pregnant people

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR1GmMyg9yC58i3SargXSSpsw1NgaVoD6raB8cz40YuEgx9VxFTr5A4m4OQ“

@littlbrowndog what a brilliant article. It should be read by everyone. Thank you very much for posting it here.

musicalfrog · 14/01/2022 03:01

Truly in 10 years time when our kids have grown up with this, how are they going to know if they have a prostate or not?

They'll ring their GP for clarification of course. Just like Dr XVT suggested!

(Can you imagine?)

Bordois · 14/01/2022 07:16

But how will a GP in 10 years know 🤔

DinoDora · 14/01/2022 07:17

If it's not been mentioned already, a young "non binary" female dr started to work on the show who bound her breasts.

Which may be where it's come from

DinoDora · 14/01/2022 07:18

The kids show that is

TheWeeDonkey · 14/01/2022 07:52

What an idiot. This is a disease that kills in the most painful way the demographic of people who are least likely to seek medical advice, especially if they think it will be invasive or embarrassing.

He is in a position to destigmatise asking for help but he chooses to confuse the matter further. Thank god presenters on channels like Sky Sport are able to talk about male cancers in a matter of fact straight forward way, but it comes to something when a sports pundit cares more about men's health than a GP.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 14/01/2022 08:21

He made a right tit of himself.
It was beautiful

ChristinaXYZ · 14/01/2022 10:34

@musicalfrog

Truly in 10 years time when our kids have grown up with this, how are they going to know if they have a prostate or not?

They'll ring their GP for clarification of course. Just like Dr XVT suggested!

(Can you imagine?)

How will a doctor know over the phone - medical records mix sex and gender all the time and if sex is merely assigned then.... surely if you ring up you will have to be referred to a hospital for an ultrasound for your GP to be sure?
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EnfysPreseli · 14/01/2022 17:50

Looking at that article where he says 'pregnant people' it just sounds bonkers. It's such an unnatural phrase. If he'd said something like 'it's understandable that when you're pregnant you may be anxious about taking any medication or having vaccines .." it would have been much less contrived and performative, but still inclusive of anyone who gets upset at being reminded that they're female (though pregnancy is one hell of a reminder in my experience!).

If he's genuinely concerned about not upsetting someone with a male reproductive system who doesn't identify as a man as well as getting an important public health message across he would have done more than just parrot the 'people with prostates' line. It makes it sound like a health condition in itself, not an organ that all (or virtually all) males have.

I'm also puzzled about how he thinks you'd know whether you had one or not if you're male. If you'd had investigations for another issue (infertility? urinary tract issues?) you might, and in many cases it's poor function that's the issue so a man would still have a prostate and be at risk. I also know someone who had his prostate removed in his late 60s and was diagnosed with prostate cancer again in his mid 80s. He'd assumed it wouldn't be possible because he didn't have a prostate, but apparently it is.

I don't think Dr Xand thought this through at all. Probably thought it's more important to use wokespeak than to be clear and truthful.

TheFnozwhowasmirage · 14/01/2022 18:08

Awwww. His tweet is no longer there. I hope someone took screenshots for future amusement.

Enough4me · 14/01/2022 23:14

SelfID and wokeness has a lot to answer for, really screwing up healthcare messages.

Sex differences are sex differences, denying them just creates ridiculous and unnecessary confusion. Next we'll have individuals claiming they have cervixes and prostates needing to book tests for both, where does the madness end 🤷‍♀️

yestheyhavethesamedad · 20/01/2022 08:39

Just saw a clip for todays show , where the presenter was talking about prostate cancer , and how its the most common MALE cancer and how it affects 1 in 8 MEN , the same doctor is also on the show , wonder if he will be able to say who gets it , or if he will follow the narrative of people 🤔

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 20/01/2022 09:15

@yestheyhavethesamedad

Just saw a clip for todays show , where the presenter was talking about prostate cancer , and how its the most common MALE cancer and how it affects 1 in 8 MEN , the same doctor is also on the show , wonder if he will be able to say who gets it , or if he will follow the narrative of people 🤔
Is it a phone in? Can we ask him?
yestheyhavethesamedad · 20/01/2022 09:55

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken
Seems its not a phone in and someone else is dping the segment , however during it , they rightly mentioned the word men 7 times in the 1st 3 minutes

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 20/01/2022 12:40

Always great to see major public health figures throw people with learning disabilities, people with English as an additional language, and other people who need language to be plain and clear, under the bus in order to pander to a tiny group

tbh, I can't begin to tell you the number of times I raise the issue (in context) of people with learning disabilities in a healthcare context and people try to pass it off as a minority issue. That's when I ask them how many (say) adults there are in England with learning disabilities and how many of them are severe; how many live in supported accommodation, how many in residential facilities, how many live with family etc.

I've never yet had someone who knew or had ever thought to check their assumptions about minority numbers.

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