Loudon school rapist put on sex registry for life

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I hope everyone who enabled this and called these girls liars (looking at you Obama) hangs their heads in shame.

Shame on all of you.

"Over the years this court has read many psychosexual reports, and when I read yours, frankly, it scared me."

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Moral message makes me think of religious fundamentalists tbh.

Eg
Iran morality police
The anti abortion polish govt and those who support. Resulting in use of a loophole to impose incredibly strict abortion laws. Some of the harshest in the world.

This is nothing to do with morality.

On the first wider point.

How many rapes in USA schools get properly handled rather than brushed under carpet.

In the UK we often hear on these very boards of how schools are desperate to keep some quite nasty cases of violent bullying quiet. Trying to "investigate" internally rather than involve the police.

So I don't doubt that covering up rapes happens too, the school's reputation being of greater concern than the welfare of the victim.

What's your definition of the term moral? really super common usage, I’m not redefining language here. ‘A moral (from Latin morālis) is a message that is conveyed or a lesson to be learned from a story or event.’ en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral

I put the other point in because other responses have thought I have no grasp of the risks gender ideology poses and it needs explaining to me, so had to make it clear I do get that. And I said ‘as most know’ to try and avoid looking like I’m explaining it to others….

This is nothing to do with mortality.

It's about evidenced risk. It's about risks that have been understood globally and historically by all the billions of people who have lived on this planet.

It's an incredibly loaded word.

If you're not aware that the words moral / immoral are not highly associated with religion, especially of the more fundamental, strict, oppressive type. Then I'm surprised.

Thre word immoral doesn't conjure up a definite connection with religious condemnation for you?

You'll have to accept that for most here that's the result.

In UK we don't really have politicians or similar invoking morality. Maybe sometimes, DUP MP making anti abortion speech sort of area. But that's because of the stand of religion that some/many/all follow. And those beliefs include some that are ??? to pretty much everyone (assuming including NI but they're unionists so that's the main thing I assume when voting. Would have to look up anyone knows more please let me know!).

@CheeseMmmm

Fyi I seem to remember sodomy has a different definition in USA to here can't remember which state it was but nevertheless. May not mean anal rape as we assume. Not that that makes any difference to anything really but still.

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Virginia's definition is: An accused shall be guilty of forcible sodomy if he or she engages in cunnilingus, fellatio, anilingus, or anal intercourse...

Not, as you say, that it makes a difference to the concerns about this case.

Really super common usage? Nah. At least in London word moral can't remember last heard unless on TV vv occasionally.

You use bathrooms for bogs.

You've lived in USA? Or picked it up from net?

Where in UK are you roughly? Might of course be different how much in conversation etc morals/morality/immoral comes up. I obviously don't know everything though!

Ddraig- yes totally.

I wrote a long post on that point near start of thread.

I’ve been in london for a number of years, am now in australia. I wouldn’t be at all surprised hearing this usage in corporate life as well as my personal life, simply meaning the message or the lesson to be learned from this. No usage connection with ‘immoral’ although common etymology.

Sorry really confused now.

Etymology means the history of words, generally which language word is root and meaning that word. How and where got picked up and used for different meaning in different countries etc.

What do you mean by common etymology please? I googled and couldn't find it, but it's not my area tbh!

I don't understand the assertion that in UK the words moral and immoral are seen as totally unrelated.

How can they be? They just... Aren't!

Oh hold on you say moral message, you mean the moral of the story?

How is that relevant here?

If you mean the moral of the story, that's used in a silly, jokey, state the bleeding obvious and everyone laughs way!

Eg
Went out with team yesterday after work. Bob turned up you know what he's like. Meant to catch 8pm train.
He was buying round after round and you know how it is with Bob.
Next thing I've had about 6 points loads of shots. Totally fucked missed last train had to sleep in station go home first train in morning.
And the moral of the story is.
Bob comes into pub get the hell out of Dodge, don't pass go!
Hahahaha etc.

That's common usage.

What sort of corporate sector are you in?
Can't be any I'm familiar with!

If a man is released from prison (murder) and under probation. And then murders again within two weeks. And reported etc probation needs more funding/better procedures etc.

You would say.

The man that killed after release. In my view the moral message is that probation service needs to be improved.

Yes?

Not really no, that would be an odd usage unless there was more to it. More the moral of the story, the message/learning of the story. Moral also has to be a noun to have this usage, so moral message doesn’t work- that becomes the ethical meaning. Eg the real message/moral here is not a trans woman in the bathroom caused harm, but that letting anyone who says they are trans in is the same as letting males into women’s spaces. It isn’t just used for jokes! Common etymology means same root source/original word. I really think we are derailing the discussion here though.

What trans woman?

There's no transwoman involved!

There's two schoolchildren.
One ... Should we be using girl? I mean person with a vagina on this thread when I say girl. Is that ok? Usually it's a no-no.

One girl who was sexually attacked.
One boy who attacked her.
The attack was in girls toilets.

The dad said though boy was genderfluid. Not a reasonable thing to say given attire? I thought everyone was supposed to assume gender by presentation and if not sure ask?
We don't know do we. Did he tell classmates gender fluid? Tell the girl that?
Is it common for heterosexual school boys to wear skirts to school and not have trans identity?
What about the fact that stonewall include gender non conforming under trans umbrella?

Should everyone therefore forget going on presentation?
And assume any male with any level of gender non conforming external presentation is a man or boy?

Doesn't that go against everything that's been advised for years?

And afaik know one knows if he had told her or anyone else he was gender fluid.

The fact that there are loads of rapes in schools full stop is true. As I pointed out at length at start of thread.

So I don't know why you're talking about TW, why you are using what IS very unusual language and making some peculiar claims about common usage etc. Rather than the straightforward language.

In fact I'm not even sure of your point any more!

'The man that killed after release. In my view the moral of the story (?) is that probation service needs to be improved.'

Is that ok now?

The reason this story is relevant to the FACT sex>gender.

Is that a girl was sexually attacked by a male student in the school bogs.

This is an incident which is an example of the RISK to girls and women (with vaginas) from males in certain facilities etc.

The how come in there messy.

• Male students in girls bogs happens, just s thing and school not interested? (School must address).

• Boy sneaked in when no one looking? (Likely).

• But where were the toilets? Was this during s school break? What he did would have taken a while. Assuming not happened silently. No other students came into toilets? How come? In less used area (risk school should have addressed. Sex drugs boozing smoking bullying etc)? Did anyone come in? Why don't we know about all that? Highly relevant.

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The most common trans supporters response to crimes against women in bogs. (Always with the bogs).

It can't be stopped, if male wants to sexually assault/rape woman girl he will. Nothing anyone can do. Hilarious think sign on door will reduce risk.

The transphobia stuff was therefore all irrelevant for trans activists.

Given they believe there's no risk elevation with go wherever you fancy.
And that sexual violence against us is a fact of life and nothing can be done (haha).
Then the gender identity of this criminal is beside the point anyway.
Because attacks of this nature are nothing to do with anything. They happen. Nothing to get worked up over. (Hahaha).

Yes sure. I always find it v interesting when common language usage in society involves things that are just not familiar at all.

Moral and immoral do not come from the same root? Really? I had no idea. Will investigate. I find that mind boggling.

Im-moral (IE not moral)...

I'm not finding anything saying different root.

Link? Pls. Fascinated.

Oh and to get back to thread.

I have never seen anyone say that only TW are threat.

Fact is males are a risk. Irrespective of their gender identity.

Single sex things are for females. Definitely not males. Any males.

And that's all there is to it.

They do come from the same root, both meanings of moral and immoral too.
I said transwoman because multiple pps jumped on me for saying he’s not trans as wearing a skirt makes you trans according to stonewall. So I said transwoman so I didn’t start that all again and...!
I also did not say only transwomen are a threat. I’m just going to leave this, can’t see it’s helping anyone.

I'm in London. Hear people say the moral of the story all the time. Its very basic and common usage.

The bigger problem is males in general — they shouldn’t be allowed in girls bathrooms — and a broad atmosphere of misogyny relabelled as woke that says girls don’t deserve protection

This is it. This is the central point.

It doesn’t matter whether the rapist thinks he’s female or not. Self-ID allows all men access to all women. I’m using ‘woman’ as defined by the Equality Act: a female of any age.

I think timeisnotaline's point was that the TRAs framed this story as about trans rights as soon as transgender was mentioned, which caused a lot of people to respond by either the unthinking supportive tribalism of Obama, or the less well informed people, the group that talk about 'transgenders and gays' as though it's the same thing, getting angry.
Which meant that the point about males always being a risk factor, regardless of their identity issues, was lost.

time expressed it poorly, but she acknowledged that.

However, I would point out that this reaction wasn't an accident. Which is why you won't hear the same TRAs now highlighting this case, because it has served its purpose as a 'wicked blinkered transphobes' story. Same as Wii spa.
Trans is emphatically being used as diversion or excuse, because as soon as it is mentioned, TRAs will muddy the water deliberately. Yes, this means perps will take advantage of a social loophole, and no, that not the fault of people with Gender Dysphoria, or the people point out that this will be abused (many of who are the people with dysphoria).

Apart from what happened to the victims, the story here is that a great deal of political power and influence was mobilised very quickly to suppress this story and to punish people who were trying to shine light on it.

Had this been the depressingly famiilar case of a girl being sexually assaulted/raped in a school, without there being anything unusual about the context, then I doubt the authorities would have been much bothered about taking any special steps.

Remember, they tried to destroy the business of the father of the first victim, he was labelled as a "domestic terrorist" by the authorities, they tried put him in jail for being angry in public about what had happened to his daughter, they got the former President of the United States to discredit her by proxy. They were clearly very highly motivated to do these things, what was it that motivated them in this way? It's because they felt their project was under threat.