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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Loudon school rapist put on sex registry for life

107 replies

PandorasMailbox · 13/01/2022 01:59

I hope everyone who enabled this and called these girls liars (looking at you Obama) hangs their heads in shame.

Shame on all of you.

"Over the years this court has read many psychosexual reports, and when I read yours, frankly, it scared me."

www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-loudoun-rapist-sentenced-put-on-sex-offender-registry-for-life

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ArabellaScott · 13/01/2022 17:40

@PaleBlueMoonlight

It is such a horrendous case on so many levels. Do we know if this is being reported in mainstream US media?
Anyone give me £50 on 'no'?
OldCrone · 13/01/2022 17:47

I know that my unthinking or "be kind" friends are heavily (sub-consciously) influenced by hearing the words "woman" and "girl" used when talking about this issue.

Have you seen this?

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

My friend thinks "transwoman" means a female who identifies as a man, not the other way around. She thought the uproar about "transwomen" participating in the Olympics was because of bigotry over some women's decision of how to present themselves rather than males be allowed to compete in women's categories! She has at least 2 master degrees from excellent universities and is still confused by this!

I've seen this a lot in newspaper comments. People who think a 'trans woman' is a woman (female person) who identifies as transgender. Have you explained to your friend that 'transwomen' in sports are people like Laurel Hubbard?

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2022 17:49

@SweetGrapes

Anytime something is reported the only reaction is STFU Bigot. It was the same with LA Spa thing. Here on all the men in women's prisons.... Nothing to see here, move along.

Just proof that TRA = MRA.

But what is wrong with all the grownups???? Supposedly sensible people? All misogynists?

Fear.
Loudon school rapist put on sex registry for life
ArabellaScott · 13/01/2022 18:05

I can't read this - can anyone else?

From last year - www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opinion/loudoun-county-trans.html

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 13/01/2022 18:16

Dare I ask if the rapist has been sent to a male or female institution?

nauticant · 13/01/2022 18:26

Have a look on an archive site ArabellaScott and you can find it. I'd put a link but doing that usually gets the post deleted.

In summary the opinion piece gives an account of what happened but then does this big reveal:

But this week, during a juvenile court hearing, a fuller picture of Smith’s daughter’s ordeal emerged. She suffered something atrocious. It had nothing at all to do, however, with trans bathroom policies. Instead, like many women and girls, she was a victim of relationship violence.

Smith’s daughter testified that she’d previously had two consensual sexual encounters with her attacker in the school bathroom. On the day of her assault, they’d agreed to meet up again. “The evidence was that the girl chose that bathroom, but her intent was to talk to him, not to engage in sexual relations,” Biberaj, whose office prosecuted the case, told me. The boy, however, expected sex and refused to accept the girl’s refusal. As the The Washington Post reported, she testified, “He flipped me over. I was on the ground and couldn’t move and he sexually assaulted me.”

The boy was indeed wearing a skirt, but that skirt didn’t authorize him to use the girls’ bathroom. As Amanda Terkel reported in HuffPost, the school district’s trans-inclusive bathroom policies were approved only in August, more than two months after the assault. This was not, said Biberaj, someone “identifying as transgender and going into the girls’ bathroom under the guise of that.”

It ends sadly saying how the real story is about disinformation and people being taken in by a lie.

OldCrone · 13/01/2022 18:27

Archive link.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220101213342/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opinion/loudoun-county-trans.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20220101213342/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opinion/loudoun-county-trans.html

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2022 18:34

thanks, nauticant. I wondered what it would say.

So now I just have swears.

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2022 18:35

That was the only story I found about the 'Loudon rapist' on a quick search, on US news sites.

There's something on the DM, on Breitbart, RT ...

  • and thanks for the link, OldCrone.
TheWeeDonkey · 13/01/2022 19:19

Its funny how they stop being trans once their name is on the sex offenders register. So much for acceptance without exeption.

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2022 19:21

As far as I recall, his mother said he was 'gender fluid'.

TheWeeDonkey · 13/01/2022 19:24

As far as I recall, his mother enabled his behavior and blamed his victims, she should be investigated too.

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2022 19:39

Yep. And the father of the victim should have his sentence overturned and an apology given.

TheWeeDonkey · 13/01/2022 19:42

I agree the whole thing is a shit show and demonstrates what women have been saying all along, and still excuses are being made. People need to start losing their jobs over this. Its the only way it will be taken seriously.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 13/01/2022 19:46

Smith’s daughter testified that she’d previously had two consensual sexual encounters with her attacker in the school bathroom. On the day of her assault, they’d agreed to meet up again

Is this some attempt at mitigation?
They’d had sex before?

So everyone I’ve ever had sex with could rape me orally and anally after?

CheeseMmmm · 13/01/2022 23:22

Fyi I seem to remember sodomy has a different definition in USA to here can't remember which state it was but nevertheless. May not mean anal rape as we assume. Not that that makes any difference to anything really but still.

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CheeseMmmm · 13/01/2022 23:28

'It was reasonably widely misreported in a few ways for some time. Partly because gender critical people jumped on it as a transgirl raped a girl in gender neutral bathrooms, which is unfortunate as it hides the very real moral here behind what does look like transphobia ie willing to believe anything if it makes trans people look bad. '

GC people got story buried?

It was the dad I'm sure who said transgender.

Why say that, most likely is because daughter said.

Why she say? Most likely because she assumed due to clothes.

What is everyone told to do?

Assume gender ID based on presentation, if not sure I'm to ask.

Had he told her or others in general was trans?
Was she used in class? By teachers etc?

Rather than OBVIOUSLY dad was more worked up about attacking trans people and using his daughters awful violation as a great opportunity to stick it to trans people? And when school said fuck off not interested. He thought yay! Reason to go public and really put the boot into single sex spaces and opposite sex use?

Really? That's a really huge and awful assumption to make.

CheeseMmmm · 13/01/2022 23:38

I also note your your wording-

'moral issue'.

That's really interested and jumped out at me.

Why do you see this as a moral issue? The use of that word is very jarring to me.

PermanentTemporary · 13/01/2022 23:56

There is every reason to refer to a male who has or wishes to transition as a trans man, and to refer to a female who wishes to transition as a trans woman. Of course that will never happen, because the aim of the phrases 'trans woman' and 'trans man' is not to describe reality but to change people's perception of it.

OopsMyNoodle · 13/01/2022 23:57

True but given current general usage, doing it ends up in a pickle.

Pallisers · 14/01/2022 00:22

Nothing on Washington Post, New York Times or Boston Globe. Nothing on NPR either. (those are the ones I read/listen to).

Pallisers · 14/01/2022 00:24

When I say nothing I mean nothing about the conviction and comments of the judge.

timeisnotaline · 14/01/2022 00:30

GC people got story buried?
No. Regular people and woke inclined people seized on the reporting inconsistencies where gc people were spreading this story and used it to say gc people were lying. So the issue got muddled.
the moral behind means the real message here, not an ethical question. The message as most on this thread are already well aware is not just that transwomen in women’s bathrooms can be dangerous to women, it’s that self id means all men are allowed in women’s bathrooms and removing barriers to access for men in women’s bathrooms is dangerous full stop. (Prisons, hospital wards...)

CheeseMmmm · 14/01/2022 00:47

You have no response to the fact the trans identity came from the victims father?

That he was targeted with insults and threats?
That he was described as transphobic, right wing etc?

That the fact his daughter was sexually attacked IN SCHOOL was for those who condemned him, of little interest. The REAL crime here, the terrible thing about it all was the 'transphoba'?

Come on. You need to address that.

And you need to explain why you feel that for her own father. This severe sexual assault was a handy excuse for him to denigrate trans people.

These are major points, and if you don't share your thinking, then we come to our own conclusions. You must want to explain your angle surely.

CheeseMmmm · 14/01/2022 00:56

'the moral behind means the real message here, not an ethical question. The message as most on this thread are already well aware is not just that transwomen in women’s bathrooms can be dangerous to women, it’s that self id means all men are allowed in women’s bathrooms and removing barriers to access for men in women’s bathrooms is dangerous full stop. (Prisons, hospital wards...)'

What's your definition of the term moral?
In what sense are you using it there?

The 'message'?
Which message are you referring to? Who is sending a message to who and saying what?

I would take ethical to be a much more reasonable word to use (although still not entirely suited).

'most on this thread are already well aware is not just that transwomen in women’s bathrooms can be dangerous to women, '

No shit Sherlock!
Where did you pull this from?
What an odd statement.

Who on this thread has said ONLY TW are a risk to women in what were universally understood to be single sex facilities etc?

And not any other sort of male at all?
You think that's a thing that women/girls think???