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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"identifies as 8 year old girl" scene from Afterlife

63 replies

MyFirstHypnosis · 12/01/2022 09:59

Appreciate that no-one here needs Ricky Gervais to tell them what to think but I thought some of you would appreciate this scene:

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I think Gervais is not making a series about identity politics but about cutting through to what matters (that this is someone's father pratting around).

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IvyTwines · 12/01/2022 10:24

Have a look at the trendy bar toilet scene in the new series Toast of Tinseltown too: it's a urinal in full view in the middle of the bar! It's co-written by the other writer from Father Ted.

UltraVividLament · 12/01/2022 11:12

That's brilliant. He's clearly read about Stephonknee or whatever the name is, and he has skewered the key points very concisely there. I love the actress playing the wife, she does a fantastic job.

TanteRose · 12/01/2022 11:14

Great scene Grin

Looking forward to the new series on Friday Smile

Scraggythang · 12/01/2022 11:16

@UltraVividLament came here to say that! www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/amp/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

For nostalgic reasons. One of the many moments in this shit show I went “WTAF”.

And a family ‘ADOPTED’ him!!!

KittenKong · 12/01/2022 11:22

I wonder what the then small kids now think (this was about 8 years ago). Would a stroppy teen really want to introduce them a ‘my six (I assume they haven’t aged) year old little sister’ to their boyfriend/girlfriend/friend/teacher?

StylishMummy · 12/01/2022 11:23

[quote Scraggythang]@UltraVividLament came here to say that! www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/amp/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

For nostalgic reasons. One of the many moments in this shit show I went “WTAF”.

And a family ‘ADOPTED’ him!!![/quote]
Fucking hell, the worlds gone mad. I want to get off this planet ConfusedHmm

VestofAbsurdity · 12/01/2022 11:34

Stephonknee gave advice, which was accepted and acted on, to the Canadian Government regarding trans issues. Make of that what you will.

Scraggythang · 12/01/2022 11:54

They did! I forgot that.

Scraggythang · 12/01/2022 11:57

If you ever wanted proof men use this movement to live their fetishises in public and be applauded for it, there it is.

I can’t get my head around how anyone would see it as anything but gross.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/01/2022 12:42

So, Steff O Knee (wow, that's quite a monicker) remains six? Even after all these years?

Hasn't aged? This person is producing the elixir of eternal youth?

Bitofachinwag · 12/01/2022 12:46

@VestofAbsurdity

Stephonknee gave advice, which was accepted and acted on, to the Canadian Government regarding trans issues. Make of that what you will.
Do they often take advice from six year olds?
Scraggythang · 12/01/2022 12:51

I wonder if one of our regular thread contributors will come along and tell us that this is really good, actually, we’re just all nasty transphobes/pearl clutchers.

mammajustkilledagnat · 12/01/2022 13:22

@Scraggythang Is the Pope Catholic?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/01/2022 13:25

Given it's Canada, I feel I must add: Do bears shit in the woods?

KittenKong · 12/01/2022 13:35

Or as my mum used to say ‘does the pope poo in the woods?’

Tanith · 12/01/2022 13:40

It's Steph On Knee 🤢

One of my first "Say what??!" moments, too.

I understood dear Stephonknee no longer advises the Canadian government after it was revealed that Stephonknee had been in prison for child abuse.
All part of that dead-name past life, of course.

JellySaurus · 12/01/2022 13:41

Do they often take advice from six year olds?

Funny, isn't it, how they know exactly which 6yo girls to listen to.

Almost as if sex mattered. Or age.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/01/2022 13:49

@KittenKong

Or as my mum used to say ‘does the pope poo in the woods?’
Grin
Scraggythang · 12/01/2022 14:53

@JellySaurus yes, and you’d imagine it would be quite invalidating to your identity as a 6 year old to be asked to take part in such grown up discussions… and yet…

KittenKong · 12/01/2022 15:00

@Tanith

It's Steph On Knee 🤢

One of my first "Say what??!" moments, too.

I understood dear Stephonknee no longer advises the Canadian government after it was revealed that Stephonknee had been in prison for child abuse.
All part of that dead-name past life, of course.

Oh no - that’s grim. I remember reading that their ‘adopted’ family let them play with their daughter (who was about 8). There was some suggestion of some, ummmm ‘inappropriate’ activity between them and their ‘new parents’.

Why did the Canadian gvt humour this and allow them to advise them?????

Scraggythang · 12/01/2022 15:42

@Tanith @KittenKong well I didn’t know that. How unusual!

OldCrone · 12/01/2022 16:26

More information about Stephonknee here:
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20151224204040/gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/transwoman-stefonknee-wolscht-lives-life-as-a-six-year-old-girl/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20151224204040/gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/transwoman-stefonknee-wolscht-lives-life-as-a-six-year-old-girl/

Warmduscher · 12/01/2022 16:32

@UltraVividLament

That's brilliant. He's clearly read about Stephonknee or whatever the name is, and he has skewered the key points very concisely there. I love the actress playing the wife, she does a fantastic job.
Agree about the actress playing the wife. She seems so down to earth and just wants him to stop being a dick and be her husband again.

It’s good how it shows that it’s not about being your “authentic self” - it affects everyone around you.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 12/01/2022 17:28

So much of that is great - I love the way he shows up the absurdity of self ID with his “I’m trans because I say I am” - but I personally could have done without what I saw as denial of/apologism for child abuse at the end. And to an extent also denial/minimising of the reality for trans widows. Very few of whom, if any, would feel able to speak about their husbands like that while still married to them and subject to major gaslighting, I suspect.

Telling the girl effectively that she should still love her dad even though he’s a narcissistic twat whose actions are directly harming her, that she should gloss over her own distress, is not a message I’m happy to see being promoted.

But it’s a common theme in all sorts of film and tv portrayals of emotional abuse of children by parents, which is generally not trans related at all. He’s still your dad/she’s still your mum; your mum/dad still loves you really; you only get one mum, etc, etc. Always the onus is placed on the child to accept emotional abuse as a normal part of life, not to recognise it, to suppress their own feelings about it in the interests of understanding and being supportive to the parent who’s hurting them.

Yes, I know this is a comedy ultimately, but I get sick of these messages being repeated everywhere. What that man is doing is not just ridiculous, it’s also a form of abuse of his wife and daughter and real people in a parallel situation get really hurt by it. And their hurt is too often dismissed or underplayed as it is.

childrenoftransitioners.org/

But still. Good to see the “I identify as an eight year old girl” idea being made as ridiculous as it truly is.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/01/2022 17:31

@Tanith

It's Steph On Knee 🤢

One of my first "Say what??!" moments, too.

I understood dear Stephonknee no longer advises the Canadian government after it was revealed that Stephonknee had been in prison for child abuse.
All part of that dead-name past life, of course.

What?

I did not know this!