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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Drag Queen Story Time - all the reasons it has no place in Early Years

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2fallsfromSSA · 11/01/2022 19:27

Article from SSA outlining all the reasons DQST has no place in early years.

I know someone who got reported to her head teacher for objecting to a book called The hips on the drag queens go swish, swish, swish. There was a complete witch-hunt, it is referenced in this article:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2022/01/09/drag-queen-story-hour/

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IndigoToo · 13/01/2022 23:45

@MrGHardy - under Stonewall “law” Drag is as much under the Trans umbrella as is being non-binary, transgender, etc.

Enough4me · 13/01/2022 23:55

It must be so confusing for the kids. I wonder if parents end up telling them it was a bit of OTT fancy dress, no different then wearing a vampire costume at Halloween as you are not a vampire.

Rhannion · 14/01/2022 00:16

@ArabellaScott

Flowjob supported and introduced to the school by Mairi Black, MP.
The very same Mhairi Black who called her own constituents “ C::ts”
Artichokeleaves · 14/01/2022 09:43

Not only is Black demonstrating a quite alarming lack of professionality, basic manners and standards for being in a responsible position - and presumably expecting to be responsible for and electable by a decent proportion of the electorate as opposed to merely the select hygienic ones she happens to agree with - she apparently has no concept that she is busily calling protesters homophobic while supporting a political agenda that is rampantly homophobic.

You are left wondering - how does someone apparently incapable of understanding nuanced positions and seeing the wider picture, or listening to all parts of the debate, or even showing basic adult capacity to respect others whether or not she personally likes and agrees with them, get this far into politics?

It does not do much in terms of retaining any lingering respect for politicians. Where have all the grown ups gone? They exist. Why are they not being selected?

ArabellaScott · 14/01/2022 09:52

Yep, Artichoke. I think sometimes people represent a strong myth and are successful on that basis (Mhairi Black is eloquent and seems to be a hard worker). She's been touted as a working class straight-talking firebrand voice of youth. (I am not quite sure how true the 'working class' bit actually is, tbh. Much is made of her working in a chip shop, but she is essentially a career politician - uni then MP.

It maybe shouldn't be hugely surprising that youthful vim and fine patter are not enough to make up for a lack of thoughtfulness, insight and experience. The trouble is that she seems to have fallen into the combative, aggressive, heedless type of tribal politics that just leads to lots of hot air and vicious fighting, instead of actually producing useful practical working solutions. But this seems to be a large part of the SNPs metier, so hardly surprising I suppose.

She may yet mature!

MrGHardy · 14/01/2022 10:26

[quote IndigoToo]@MrGHardy - under Stonewall “law” Drag is as much under the Trans umbrella as is being non-binary, transgender, etc.[/quote]
I see. And I am sure they jumped right on that bandwagon given all the lobby power behind receiving the label trans.

Other than the damage this inflicts on children and women, actual dysphoric trans people suffer, too, as they are lumped together with people getting a kick out of playing a feminine caricature.

CheeseMmmm · 15/01/2022 05:34

Doubt stonewall asked or any jumping was done!

Currently they say-

'Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.'

Nothing about drag. And I'm sure GNC was in before.

Anyway they redefined homosexually out of existence, and now say homosexuality is out of date medical term so don't use.

They were going on a while ago about intersex support all over the place. Intersex zero to do with them. And definitely been told stop it.

They do what they think is going to work best for them. And that's that.

WarriorN · 16/01/2022 08:26

Thanks once again to the amazing SSAUK for this. Excellent piece. There are a number of eyfs "specialists" actively promoting "queering" the eyfs and primary classroom in this way. What on Earth it has to do with same sex relationships and diversity of race, religion and disabilities within school and families, I've no idea.

I found this on another thread (the Peter Tatchell everyone will be bi) and it's an exceptionally good round up on how queer theorists have always been apologists for peadophilia, the deliberate blurring of boundaries (as Tatchell comments on the future of everyone being bi)

Those defending drag as a place for "diversity" Hmmwithin eyfs need to think about the roots and strongest promoters of queerism.

Enough4me · 17/01/2022 20:27

@CheeseMmmm your list included genderless, surely that's what most of us define as, and instead we use sex?
I don't understand why they list genderless?

CheeseMmmm · 17/01/2022 21:17

Genderless is considered a rare trans identity.

So to ID as genderless means you accept that internal gender identity is something pretty much everyone has.

I'm not trans and rare person with no internal gender sense.

I'm like most people in that have no internal sense of gender identity.

Enough4me · 17/01/2022 23:25

Thanks @CheeseMmmm, ah that makes sense. So genderless means a person accepts genders are a thing, but doesn't personally have one.

I just am, and feel, an adult human female. When asked the question "what is your gender", I want to answer "none", and bypass to a question on sex. I suppose I was hoping genderless was a selection I could write in the 'or other' box. I don't believe in genders.

Rhannion · 18/01/2022 01:37

@ArabellaScott

Yep, Artichoke. I think sometimes people represent a strong myth and are successful on that basis (Mhairi Black is eloquent and seems to be a hard worker). She's been touted as a working class straight-talking firebrand voice of youth. (I am not quite sure how true the 'working class' bit actually is, tbh. Much is made of her working in a chip shop, but she is essentially a career politician - uni then MP.

It maybe shouldn't be hugely surprising that youthful vim and fine patter are not enough to make up for a lack of thoughtfulness, insight and experience. The trouble is that she seems to have fallen into the combative, aggressive, heedless type of tribal politics that just leads to lots of hot air and vicious fighting, instead of actually producing useful practical working solutions. But this seems to be a large part of the SNPs metier, so hardly surprising I suppose.

She may yet mature!

I think Mhairi is a lost cause.
CheeseMmmm · 18/01/2022 01:50

Enough- yes exactly so.

Thing with all this is that it's never afaik been studied across a large number of general people.

The concept of internal gender id can only have come (?) from those who do have a strong internal sense of it, and that it is different to... Sex? Personality? Not sure. I think never really defined or properly explained. Another thing where- there's no one way to experience or describe it.... So stop asking and do what you're told.

The people that initially coined the concept, would have felt it themselves or working with those who did. I mean that's an educated guess but still.

Fine ok for them yes they feel it. Sex dysphoria/ deep discomfort with imposed sex role (gender in the old meaning) ok.

The PROBLEM, and a big step.

Was the claim, the assertion that pretty much everyone has this feeling, and that it's v strongly felt, a key part of humans basic understanding of themselves, who they are essentially.

No one knows if that's true. Times in MN it's been asked chat and massive threads loads posters. Maybe one or two would say yes. Hundreds others no I'm female that's fact. What does feeling like a woman feel like? I just am one.

Most said the times they 'felt like a woman' were when others had brought it to their attention. By sexism, catcalling, various other behaviour.

The wide acceptance that you me everyone has this deep strong feeling is bizarre.

CheeseMmmm · 18/01/2022 02:25

Incidentally.

If you or I say (true) things like-

  • I'm not cis, don't describe me that way.

Response is yes you are. In your case, it's fine for me to not only assume gender but impose it.

  • I don't have a gender. Transgender orgs describe that as a trans identity and an uncommon one. Label agender/ genderless. Therefore trans orgs etc define me as trans. (Whatever I think of that). So why call me cis and why not listen to me as part of trans population?

Response is. You're-
Lying.
Too comfy in gender to notice it (aka don't know you're own mind.. yeah women not heard that before!).
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Incidentally it's only some people who are allowed to have a trans identity.
Here are some types of people who definitely are cis (although hardly in practice considered human at all):

  • Anyone who doesn't believe sex> gender
Women in general. Important vast majority are cis, as otherwise the cis privilege angle collapses.
  • Anyone who commits VAWG CSA etc.
They were cis all along. Only cis men commit sex crimes, apparently.
  • Women who believe sex> gender. Women who share their views on SM RL etc are cis bigots.
  • If on top of knowing sex > gender, they are also some combination of the things below, then they are evil witches, with a bloodthirsty desire to have loads of people executed by the state, and worse than Pol pot, Stalin and Satan combined.

Factors to spot a witch:

  • V blunt about opinions and don't take shit
  • 2nd wave type feminist esp if lesbian over 40
  • Don't bother with performing femininity
  • Say things while talking about various issues like:
'Male pattern violence' 'Sex crime is overwhelmingly commited by men, majority of victims are women/girls' 'Prostition is a massive global issue that causes enormous harm' 'women and girls globally historically have been horribly opporessed by men because of our bodies, our reproductive biology'

Etc etc.

You don't get to pick! You're cis. Now stfu and piss off.

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