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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Great! DC1 school now joined the gender / sex nonsense

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NotEnglish · 08/01/2022 12:07

Just before christmas we got an email from DC1 schools that they will end early on a certain day as the whole staff will attend an inhouse workshop as a preparation for the new sex education project the 10 to 12 years old will work on in the next months.
The email was quite vague and did not name the organisation that offers the training but mentioned "genderidentity" so I asked for clarification and asked explicitly if "trans" was included in the trainig and if yes, what were the key points.
Got an answer which still was vague. Asked again to please specify what they mean with "genderidentity" and how that differs from "sex" (We are in Germany so do not have different words for gender and sex, it's both "Geschlecht"). DC1 class teacher (which is also a lead on this project) sent me this picture:
She also explicitly wrote that they will talk about "how we can't always see the sex a person has"

So how do I go from here?
I already wrote her back that I don't want DC1 to take part in these lessons as I don't believe in this ideology and see a potential for harm for childrens health and womens rights and asked her how we can facilitate DC1 not attending.
Problem is: We have a law that makes school attendance compulsory so I don't even know if I have the right to have DC1 not attend.

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Taswama · 18/01/2022 16:47

Just joining this thread as interested in German politics, having previously lived in Germany.

Forgotthebins · 18/01/2022 17:23

It sounds as though the teacher has only had one training session, because as you point out there are mistakes, e.g how they talk about VSDs.

Is there any governing board of the school which has representation from parents? I wonder if it is possible to raise the questions with them and say that you are concerned about poor quality and that by only using staff training from one perspective, it risks the quality of learning. I don’t actually know whether you think the whole SRE project is problematic or just the slanted approach to gender identity. But the genderbread thing is a great example of a BAD resource in my view, it leans on stereotypes and encourages brooding among young people.

If there is a parent-school forum, do you feel able to say that as this is a live political debate in Germany where different parties take different views, therefore students must be allowed to explore the issues so that they come to their own conclusions: not the school offering them a political answer. Different students will bring different perspectives and it is important for them to be able to work through complicated questions with a range of different perspectives. Like if it was a project on nuclear power, they wouldn’t just have “nuclear power is great” or “nuclear power is awful” - students would (I guess) be encouraged to learn research skills, understand the political arguments from different sides, and so on. Or maybe a better example is migration.

NitroNine · 19/01/2022 10:27

Ooooft.

Is your child confident enough to (politely!) challenge/correct their teacher when they are wrong? At the very least, will they listen to you (& the facts of the matter) rather than insisting that what they’ve been taught in school must be right because they were taught it in school.

I’m still really cross at what they’re trying to pass off as “peer education” - it’s using the school students as a means of validation; & not recognising them as individuals with distinct identities & needs. It is just so dreadfully DREADFULLY manipulative Angry

I really hope things go ok @NotEnglish Flowers

Igneococcus · 30/01/2022 06:07

@NotEnglish

I talked to a friend from the German forum that I thought would be GC (and she is). Her sister is quite involved in the discussion, and she suggested fairplayfuerfrauen.org/ and www.emma.de
You might have checked these out already but just in case you haven't :)

AgeOfReason99 · 30/01/2022 07:15

Hello
Genspect introduced a gender giraffe to provide a substitute in schools for the genderbread crap, to help kids accept their healthy bodies.
genspect.org/giraffes/

Great! DC1 school now joined the gender / sex nonsense
monkeywrench · 30/01/2022 09:20

I am also in Germany (BW) my DD is 11 DS is 13 and they have so far not mentioned any of this BS being taught at school. My German is ok but by no means as good as OP's English. This is always problematic for me when I want to get into a debate with someone about this subject!!

Here is a link to a podcast which is actually about Prostitution but is referencing Germany and the 2 women being interviewed are both German, although speaking in English. It maybe that they have some links or information in German that may be helpful.

open.spotify.com/episode/3Nu0EFvcLcl5ORiHt6u78m?si=FuaRFyheTKawDmXQLalqCw&utm_source=copy-link

monkeywrench · 30/01/2022 09:27

Also, I removed my children from 1. Klasse from Religion, as is my right, although in Grundschule there was no alternative provide, they just sat in a separate classroom and played games, surely there must be some way to use that exemption to remove your child from this specific class? I mean this whole BS is as much a fairytale as the bible is!

Igneococcus · 30/01/2022 13:39

I'm a native German speaker and find the language around this topic baffling, partly I think this is deliberate though to make discussions more difficult.
I think Religion might be treated differently than Biologie (if this is where sex ed is now taught. I doubt you can opt out of biology.

Topicall · 30/01/2022 13:49

Maybe you can just pull your children out, regardless of whether it's against the rules to do so or not? What's the worst they can do - impose a small fine? You would at least send a clear message about how strongly you feel about this.

NotEnglish · 30/01/2022 15:38

Hey to all of You. We've been sick the whole week (not Covid, just a "standard" virus) so nothing new to tell. Still working on that bloody letter to the school.
Pulling K1 out of school ist not an option - attendance is mandatory by state law.
And it's 2 days a week till end of february.

K1 attended last week because the class teacher assured me it would only be anatomical stuff and correct names for sexual organs.
K1 had to fill in a worksheet labeling the different parts and on the female one he dilligently labeled all the parts including the "cliboris".
So yeah, maybe starting with the correct words was a wise move from the school.
I'm still laughing and thinking about calling my clitoris "Boris" in future Grin

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Topicall · 30/01/2022 18:11

I don't mean take them out of school altogether - just miss the relevant sex ed class (so in practice maybe miss half a day). Breaking the law might be appropriate.

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