Gender Ideology harming women and children in India

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vaishnavisundar.com/ezine/indian-ezine-gender-ideology/

What the hell is Nancy doing? Is she some kind of Gender Emissary Missionary colonising everywhere else now?

Thanks for posting this. I read it a couple of nights ago and was incredibly upset and angry. Wanted to start a thread here but needed time to calm down a bit.

It really is a vile ideology and it's disgusting to see Stonewall being gender missionaries and pushing this crap on countries in the global south like India. They know their days are numbered in places like UK etc where people and the media are more informed now and can organise a pushback.

There's so much corruption and lack of democratic accountability in India. So many areas still don't have proper provision of toilets and single-sex spaces for women, nevermind adequate political representation. Male sexual and domestic violence is rife. From birth to death, women are second class citizens.
It's heartbreaking how many women take their lives because they can't cope anymore and there's no support - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-59634393
Lots of Indian women can only dream of the sort of financial and social independence and opportunities afforded to women in countries like the UK.

And now the gender zealots are spreading their male supremacist religion in places where women already have little or no protection and are severely marginalised. Misogynistic men and predators are going to love the extra opportunities to harass and intimidate women, now with the 'progressive white people' stamp of approval. It's so upsetting and enraging.

It's not only India. I've heard of an NGO working for lgbT (stress on capital letter) inclusion in Lebanon. This is disgusting in a country going through an economic collapse, where people are struggling to eat. My friend who works at it and is from the region said it was younger staff who were involved in that.

I'd be interested to know how many NGOs have started included the "T" in their funding proposals over the past few years.

It's all rather ironic really when the group of people are pushing this are the same group of people saying we're supposed to tear down remnants of colonialism. Why? To make way for their new version?

aweegc - I did read somewhere that many orgs in such countries find themselves having to take on gender identity policies as part of securing their funding. It's awful that such a male supremacist ideology is embedding itself in areas where women's rights are already struggling. Definitely colonialism in a new guise.

How disgusting

In 2020 the Times of India reports 88 rapes of women and girls a day - and we know that's a massive under reporting.

In 2021 it's reported that crimes against women rose by 63%.

Yet Stonewall with an eye on the possible ££££ for them, are expanding their reach there - pushing for the removal of women's safe spaces.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-sees-88-rape-cases-a-day-but-conviction-rate-below-30/articleshow/78526440.cms

@NonnyMouse1337

aweegc - I did read somewhere that many orgs in such countries find themselves having to take on gender identity policies as part of securing their funding. It's awful that such a male supremacist ideology is embedding itself in areas where women's rights are already struggling. Definitely colonialism in a new guise.

When Oxfam decided to pull that board game for being transphobic I wrote and asked them about their funding policy - would, for example, a refuge in Afghanistan be denied funding if it wasnt trans inclusive? How far has the ideology spread?

They never replied. But that's probably because they trumpeted their feminist principles so I reminded them of the girls raped in Haiti.

I spent a couple of years working in India with women and disabled kids.
They really don't need this shit.

I am horror struck by this. For all the progress we have made on this issue here in the UK, the scale of the battle facing us worldwide, as women, just keeps getting bigger.

As if misogyny weren’t deeply rooted enough in India. I suppose that explains why it’s being so readily accepted there. Male power begets more male power.

Bonhex - the sheer hypocrisy of these orgs with their meaningless platitudes and obedience to gender identity, while undermining safeguards for women and children or actively enabling them harm. I can't see how any of this will improve by declaring that males can use women's facilities and services.

@NonnyMouse1337

aweegc - I did read somewhere that many orgs in such countries find themselves having to take on gender identity policies as part of securing their funding. It's awful that such a male supremacist ideology is embedding itself in areas where women's rights are already struggling. Definitely colonialism in a new guise.

Yes, I'm sure it's funding related for many of them. It's not being started by employees, yet it will then attract (young, foreign-educated) employees to new positions and it's then perpetuated.

We can only be grateful that Corona has prevented a lot of uni students from doing stunts abroad in NGOs. It's coming via Stonewall and corporate organisations, but I reckon it could backfire. Hopefully it will happen via the local media. And hopefully too the extremely meagre LGB gains in those countries will not be obliterated at the same time...

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

@DisgustedofManchester

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

This. People are outraged and disgusted about a move to support LGBT people in countries with poor human rights records? Some people here need to take a good hard look at how they sound and what they've become.

Stonewall needs to be fucking closed down.

I'm Indian - so this is close to my heart. There are a few others here who are Indian too.

My fear is that transgender surgeries are going to be tried out on Indian children - as experiments.

nationalpost.com/news/activists-in-india-outraged-over-secret-drug-trials-on-children/wcm/8eed0853-0763-4a8e-a622-96eb43086a44/amp/

Something that growing up in an Indian family I saw on a regular basis was how girls were treated as inferior to boys - I was supposed to be in an arranged marriage and ended up being taken into care. I've seen it first hand.

There is a lot of reasons girls might want to switch sides. It won't help them. Producing offspring is a poor teenagers market value. What these girls will be are bodies to experiment on.

@DisgustedofManchester

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

Tell me you haven't read the full thread without telling me you haven't read the full thread.

Stonewall and sex change surgeons are motivated by money and not morality - what do we think is going to happen when they enter places where they can do what they like?

In a country that already has an appalling history of how it treats women and children - do we honestly see good things happening?

@DisgustedofManchester

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

And also don't presume tell me what I can or can't talk about in relation to the women and girls of my country. I'm an Indian woman - I can discuss whatever I fucking want.

That excellent scary article is clear and incredibly direct.

It has concerning consequences. Agree with you op.

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Fancy that, women discussing issues relating to sex and gender on the Sex and Gender board.

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Love policing this board, don't you? If you're not telling us how we should be spending our own money, you're telling us what we should and shouldn't care about.

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

Wasn't it you that made a thread here about women's prisons purely to goad and shame women for not talking about one specific issue, and got your arse handed to you when posters linked to a thread where they were discussing that very issue on the Feminist Chat board, the board more appropriate for that discussion? I don't think you ever came back to that thread, did you? You also said that housing convicted male rapists with women is ''the right decision''.

Tell me you don't really care , indeed.

The gall to come here and criticise women for talking about biological sex and gender as to how it affects women - is a DICK move to be honest.

It really is, wanda. He won’t come back now, the tactic is usually a one post plop, so hopefully you will be able to get on with discussing this in peace.

Thank you for bringing the issue to my attention. The prospect of womens rights being rolled back in countries where they are still so fragile is horrifying. I’m never sure why earnest people who would be the first to call out “colonialism” don’t perceive it when it’s happening like this…

@BlueberryCheezecake
“This. People are outraged and disgusted about a move to support LGBT people in countries with poor human rights records?”

It is not really a move to support LGB people so much as T people. It is difficult to be gay in India. I saw a documentary about Lady Boys and it seemed clear they were effeminate boys whose only way out was to be ‘Lady Boys’ but they were attracted to other men. One of these shown committed suicide when his/her boyfriend was made to marry.

It seems like the trend for being trans gender will suit Indians and further outlaw the boys there from being simply gay.

Thread on Vaishnavi's cancellation: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3992411-Indian-feminist-Vaishnavi-Sundar-on-being-cancelled

There was a good article on hijra and transgenderism recently - annoyingly I can't find it, but this one is maybe making some similar points: www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/netflix-s-queer-eye-we-re-japan-highlights-big-problem-ncna1078756

That is very interesting ArabellaScott, thank you and the OP. I for one would never have known anything at all otherwise about these issues as they relate outside the West.