Top winning woman on the American show Jeopardy .

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While I’m genuinely happy that a transwoman has won at a traditional show that will be in the living rooms of many American households I’m not happy that she is now classed as the top winning woman.

It’s a huge step for trans people, no denying that, but don’t take away women’s achievements.

Who had the highest score in a quiz show is trivial.

Calling a man 'a woman' or 'female' is a lie, and the heart of the whole issue, which is the appropriation by men of the words used to describe our sex class, and consequently appropriation of our rights and spaces.

Given that I am a woman, that's obvious bullshit and not comparable. The fact is there's plenty of posters here who will find any problem at all with any trans person who's presumptuous enough to exist in public, because they're lugging around transphobic baggage so heavy it's putting their back out. This is a prime example of that, genuinely who gives a shit if a trans woman does well at Jeopardy, good for her, but oh no it's somehow a terrible problem.

This is gaslighting.

You're putting words into people's mouths that they have not said.

You're accusing people of having a problem "with transpeople existing" or "doing well at Jeopardy".

You're going to accuse posters here of "wanting to erase transpeople" or "wanting transpeople to die" next.

We've heard it all before. It's gaslighting. It won't wash.

I remember reading that the producers of University Challenge wanted to have more female competitors on but a lot of women were put off by the fact that all female competitors attract a lot of criticism and/or sexual comments on sm after broadcast.

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Really?

Given your post on sexism in your workplace?

I think genuine transwomen exist and it is an aspect of womanhood, a very different one to the one we experience but womanhood none the less. I don't think with things where its an even playing field there should even be gendered categories personally. (I do thinks sports however should be sex based).“

When you say this:
“I think transwomen exist and it is an aspect of womanhood, a very different one to the one we have experience but womanhood none the less”,

I rather disagree with what you have written as I think a better to put it would be that transwomen exist and are an aspect of manhood - all be it a version of manhood adapted by making the men involved to superficially resemble women.

As to the show, a transwoman won it, not a woman in this case.

On quizzes yes definitely male majority contestants.
Bit better now than few decades ago.

But then news Inc 'talking heads', competitions, quiz, panel comedy things etc etc all are male dominated.

Interestingly although we're told that masculinity means men vv curtailed from feeling able to step too far outside strict masculine norms,
Sewing bee, bake off, the jewelry one, plenty male contestants.
Which is aok, obviously, just making the point that men are majority most of the time.

On quiz success men, just my ideas feel free to challenge-

1...
Boys men seem to be more prone to getting really fixated on a single area of interest...

Or is it that (nature/nurture/socialisation) boys girls men women are the same on the massive focus on single thing, but the things they are focused on are different?

With stereotypical male interests (eg wars, politicians, different types of vehicle, sports etc) being more 'important' and the sorts of things in quiz shows. While stereotypical female interests...

(and see I can't really think of any obvious ones! Maybe... History of certain fashion designer, um. I can't think! There must be lots but I suspect most seen as 'trivial'. My gran could have been quizzed on Dallas! My other gran on living with a really old school patriarchal husband...).

And actually this ^ leads onto next points...

1. In recent decades and still v much now as well, across society blokes tend to have more free time for interests hobbies etc than women most notably when have children. But even before, girls generally are more likely involved in helping housework, being taken shops, help coming etc etc with mum, women and girls more likely involved in helping/caring for relatives, that sort of thing.

And when have children it's way more marked, the gap in free time.

So just don't have so much opportunity to really get head into a thing for s generous wedge of time.

1. The competitive, dick swingy, lists behaviour. The amount of times I've seen men, or had a man when talking to me about a shared interest.

Rather than having a general chat it turns quickly into. Prove your interest to me by answering my questions! Bet I know more than you...

Like the smiths? What year was their 3rd single released? What brand of hearing aid Morrissey totp? Marr stated fave guitar, what brand and model?
That sort of stuff. V annoying imo.

Knowing lists of facts, years etc. Is v male trait. Because part of the male hierarchy thing?

Also more likely to apply to be on TV than women for a variety of reasons I think as well.

One things that's struck me in the past is that when you look at spelling competitions, girls are very competative and often winners.

So maybe it is that women get busier with other things as they get older. Or even, find fulfillment in other things. There have been women in the arts who say that having children blunts their desire for artistic creation to some extent. Because the children become, in some sense, their work.

Quiz type activities are also not especially people oriented, and across a wide range of activities it seems that women prefer more people oriented activities than men. They'd rather do a book club or quilting circle than trainspotting.

Or because they don't get supported/ get subtly or overtly pushed away from various related things.

Certainly sex role says competitive is a boys thing. Individual or team.

Girls stereotype is around working together, part of a team. Collaboration. The successes are for the group.
V determined competitive for girl/woman. Not quite... Right. At societal level.

Oh and just remembered.
Obvious massive thing is reactions of boys/ men when in any situation esp 1-1 up against girl/woman.

I couldn't count the number of times I've experienced/ seen various negative reactions from subtle to extreme, and even often to the fact they're up against a girl/woman in the first place. Let alone the result!

Santa quick q sorry.

Do you mean like USA spelling competitions?

Is that happening in UK/ or different areas of UK, or have you lived overseas where it's a thing? Just interested partly because different cultures etc can have different norms etc around a fair bit of stuff.

I'm London basically. Lived somewhere else for couple years but not far, Manchester!

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There's no biological advantage in being a trans woman in Jeopardy so there's every opportunity for another woman competitor to beat her score. Nor is "top scorer at Jeopardy" really such an illustrious accolade that it needs to be protected. I really don't see the problem here.

Whoooosh!