Top winning woman on the American show Jeopardy .

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While I’m genuinely happy that a transwoman has won at a traditional show that will be in the living rooms of many American households I’m not happy that she is now classed as the top winning woman.

It’s a huge step for trans people, no denying that, but don’t take away women’s achievements.

The Jeopardy "Champion Archive" is 90% men.
Why would that be?

This person is described not just as a woman but as female

This is why the ridiculous idea that "woman" can be used for men must be rejected.

Trans ideology uses woman, female, girl, daughter, mother, aunt, sister etc for men. They are all wrong.

This person is not a woman and therefore is not the top scoring woman.

That's all that matters. Not whether the achievement is notable enough, or whether a woman can beat the score in future. A lie is being told and accepted as fact.

@GreenWhiteViolet

This person is not a woman and therefore is not the top scoring woman.

That's all that matters. Not whether the achievement is notable enough, or whether a woman can beat the score in future. A lie is being told and accepted as fact.

This is the crux of the matter.

I don't accept someone pissing down my back and telling me it's raining.

@GreenWhiteViolet

This person is not a woman and therefore is not the top scoring woman.

That's all that matters. Not whether the achievement is notable enough, or whether a woman can beat the score in future. A lie is being told and accepted as fact.

100% this. They’re not a woman so whatever they do or do not achieve, they’re not achieving it as a woman

I mean ffs I can’t believe in the 21st century we’re having to say “no biological men are not women however they present”

No thank you

@TheWeeDonkey

It is a huge achievement. Would they not want to be celebrated as Top Scoring Trans Person? Thats a huge accolade for the whole LGBTQI+ community.

Absolutely

You don’t get to tell women that their achievements of overcoming sexist discrimination and the lack of educational opportunities this raises, the lack of confidence this brings, or even the fact that a woman is more likely to not have support for their family situation to have the freedom to participate can be given to a male. Someone who never experienced those disadvantages in the same way.

Brilliantly put. A million times this.

The vast vast majority of Jeopardy winners are prostate havers. Same old same old for this winner.

Fundamentally, it sounds like your problem is that a trans woman existed and you really don't like it when they do that

Fundamentally, it sounds like you don't have an actual argument against what Goat actually said.

Fundamentally, it sounds like blues problem is that women exist and blue really doesn’t like that

(And as stupid as i find the above sentence and as sure as i am that blue doesn’t think that, my sentence makes just as much ‘sense’)

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer

@Linguini

I agree that there is no biological advantage. But it’s the fact that she now counts as the top winning woman.

I'm not sure about that, the "no biological advantage" issue.

Looking at the "Hall of Fame" of Jeopardy winners, 100% male list obviously, I wonder if the fact that women are generally undermined in most areas of life lead to a lack of confidence to take part in shows like Jeopardy?

And of course, women are socialized and expected (by men) to stay at home with the babies etc.
I wonder if this trans winner actually does have a male privilege and therefore advantage.
This winner would never have had to take a break from their run of wins because they fell pregnant for example.

The show seems to be male-dominated in terms of winners.
This particular win is not challenging that. At all.

But the maleness there is a social advantage, not biological. Being taller, stronger etc doesn’t make the difference, being socialised as a male does.

Look at Masterchef the Professionals for example.
Physically men have very little advantage over women. But there were very few women in the series and none in the final.
If you watch it the women are almost apologetic about everything, whereas the men were full of self confidence. Also a few of the women talked about family commitments, I don’t remember any of the men doing that.

I think it's rather naive to say that because there's no physical advantage to men in a quiz show, there's no advantage/difference full-stop. Think back over all the quiz shows you've seen over the past year. For me, certainly, the proportion of male to female quizzers was probably about 4:1, if that. There are probably stats out there, as I think it's a fairly widely recognised phenomenon. I don't claim to know the reason - inherent sex differences (testosterone giving male quizzers more confidence)? socialisation? structural discrimination in team/participant selection? women's relatively recent access to an accredited university education? Regardless, certainly, men dominate in this sphere, too. Maybe there's an argument for removing all categories, but as long as there a sex category does exist, even in this niche context, I think blurring the boundaries between women & transwomen is another step towards muddying data that could expose, help us to understand, and, perhaps, counter women's proportionately limited participation in yet another traditionally male-dominated field. Give women AND transwomen/men credit where credit's due, by recognising the achievements of both - more overt acknowledgement and normalisation of transwomen's involvement in the public sphere and media is surely no bad thing in any case?

In other words, agree with some of the points made above - should have read the thread, which I usually do!

@Linguini

The Jeopardy "Champion Archive" is 90% men. Why would that be?

I just up the Jeopardy! list of question writers and there appear to be six men, two women on staff.

That might also have something to do with it, in a similar way that IQ tests, SATs and ACTs (American university entrance exams), and other exams/assessments potentially have unconscious bias toward the Western white male experience.

Jeopardy! has been around for decades and it’s a good show with a variety of questions. I’m sure they try their best to be diverse, but in all the years I watched I don’t remember all that many “women” questions.

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer

Fundamentally, it sounds like blues problem is that women exist and blue really doesn’t like that

(And as stupid as i find the above sentence and as sure as i am that blue doesn’t think that, my sentence makes just as much ‘sense’)

Given that I am a woman, that's obvious bullshit and not comparable. The fact is there's plenty of posters here who will find any problem at all with any trans person who's presumptuous enough to exist in public, because they're lugging around transphobic baggage so heavy it's putting their back out. This is a prime example of that, genuinely who gives a shit if a trans woman does well at Jeopardy, good for her, but oh no it's somehow a terrible problem.

This is a prime example of that, genuinely who gives a shit if a trans woman does well at Jeopardy, good for her, but oh no it's somehow a terrible problem

This comes straight from your own prejudice which has become apparent across many threads blue. The concerns about having this achievement celebrated as a ‘female’ achievement are valid.

It is a by product of the push to detach the language describing females for the use of another group.

Given that I am a woman, that's obvious bullshit and not comparable. The fact is there's plenty of posters here who will find any problem at all with any trans person who's presumptuous enough to exist in public, because they're lugging around transphobic baggage so heavy it's putting their back out. This is a prime example of that, genuinely who gives a shit if a trans woman does well at Jeopardy, good for her, but oh no it's somehow a terrible problem.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The problem isn’t that she is a transwomen.
The problem is that she is being listed as the highest winning woman.
Read the rest of the discussion. Look at the number of natal women who have won this quiz.

Let’s look at Mastermind. Out of the 47 winners, 11 were women. Look at any quiz show and there tend to be more men.

Yes this doesn’t really matter, and Amy should be hugely proud of being the first trans champion. But it’s the chipping away and positions that should belong to women who didn’t grow up with male privilege.

Women achievements no matter how big or small are reserved for biological women not biological men

#Nothankyou

This person is NOT the top scoring woman. …. Every time a TW takes a "woman" spot on a list it underscores the ideology they should be there in the first place and that’s a gateway into "inclusion" into sports, refuges, prisons etc.

Exactly. That’s why even trivial-seeming examples matter.

blue

You are completely right…I’ll change it for you

Fundamentally, it sounds like blues problem is that other women exist and blue really doesn’t like that

Its still a stupid fucking sentence I’ll grant you….but its still your sentence

This is a prime example of that, genuinely who gives a shit if a trans woman does well at Jeopardy, good for her, but oh no it's somehow a terrible problem

You are totally missing the point.

I don't "give a shit" that a TW did well on a game show. In fact, good for them.

What I do give a shit about is them claiming that win as a female and I explained my reasons why - for you only to respond with a (now deleted) gaslighting personal attack that failed to address any of the points I made.

Personally I'd have preferred your original post to stand (I didn't report it) however, I think as we still have a pertinent quote from it in my response in turn to you, it pretty obvious what your MO is.

Honestly this cry of transphobia at any defence of women's rights is boringly predictable and to use your descriptor, "presumptuous" in the extreme.

Biology for $500

Let’s look at Mastermind. Out of the 47 winners, 11 were women. Look at any quiz show and there tend to be more men.

That's shocking.

The creep to claim the word female is really problematic in my view. It puts the lie to the idea that it is a sex/gender issue for activists.

This person could be the top transwoman score, though maybe that's not enough of a field to feel like an accomplishment. IN which case maybe be content to be a male score, not the top, like all but one other male.

@Berkspolix

Let’s look at Mastermind. Out of the 47 winners, 11 were women. Look at any quiz show and there tend to be more men.

That's shocking.

It's been true for a long time. Men seem to be more competitive on quiz type shows, for whatever reason. And it doesn't seem to be about the shows choosing certain people.