Nancy Kelly and Christine Burns on Al Jazeera

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I can't imagine who thought it was a good idea for Stonewall to agree to this interview, given the source of funding for Al Jazeera and the regime that sees homosexuals imprisoned or murdered for their sexual orientation.

I think Stonewall's Head if Media left or took a sabbatical recently so I'm guessing, if the post remains vacant it didn't involve a debate and ultimately Nancy Kelly who agreed it anyway. I'm completely baffled, it can't be that Nancy didn't know this can it?

You tube link in thread:

https://twitter.com/nancymm_k/status/1474429308269695011?s=21

@JustcameoutGC

Jaysus. They are really not minding their brand very well. Al jazeera does some fantastic journalism, and it is healthy to have a major international news outlet from outside the west. However, on LGBTQ issues it is madness for Stonewall to go on and not address the fact that gay people are executed in Qatar. This is the very thing they should be focusing their efforts on instead of trying to convince the world of gender woo woo. This is what a truly oppressed group looks like.

They really are not executed. Nobody is executed. By all means stand up for what you believe but don't resort to lies to do it. I have lived in Qatar for 19 years and have lots of gay people in my life, some Arabic, some not. Its a tolerant place with maybe a few people who make it look bad, a bit like anywhere. Please do provide proof of the executions you have declared. I will check the accusation out and make sure there is a chance to defend against lies if that's what they are. Awaiting official proof.

I have also reported your post. It should be deleted or backed up with proof.

In addition to the Penal Code provisions outlined here, Qatar operates Sharia courts in which it is technically possible for men who engage in same-sex intimacy to be sentenced to death.

That's not evidence and also doesn't prove the accusation that they execute people. It's quite a serious allegation to make on a public forum. Where is the evidence to back up this accusation?

I will continue to question and publicise this accusation until evidence is in place.

@Vvvvip

I will continue to question and publicise this accusation until evidence is in place.

Speak to Stonewall and Amnesty. That's where people are getting their info from.

If a law exists it can be used. It is also possible to be imprisoned in Qatar for having a homosexual relationship.
A tolerant country does not have such laws on their statute book.

Quote taken from here

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/globalworkplaceebriefingqatarrfinal.pdf

Are Stonewall U.K. not the global experts on the treatment of gay people then? Oh. Do write to them to tell them how wrong they are. Maybe let the charities commission know too.

Thread here

twitter.com/simonjedge/status/1475447279289085954?s=21

@334bu

If a law exists it can be used. It is also possible to be imprisoned in Qatar for having a homosexual relationship. A tolerant country does not have such laws on their statute book.

Exactly.

The threat alone would (and does) mean same-sex attracted people in Quatar live in fear of being murdered by the government.
Nice progressive country you have there...

List of countries criminalising same-sex attraction/'acts' here:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-43822234

I am waiting for the evidence of execution. That's the accusation. In the UK you Could be prosecuted for wearing green on a Tuesday ffs but nobody does. You have accused them of doing it, not having a law. So back it up now.

@Awkwardy I suspect Nancy K is confusing highly educated with going to university.

Qatari LGBT people don't seem to think Qatar is a tolerant country.

www.hrw.org/news/2021/11/24/lgbt-qataris-call-foul-ahead-2022-world-cup

Not very welcoming to women either.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59288177.am

Well if you report to quoting the BBC to prove a point you have lost your case. Still waiting for the evidence of actual executions. Will.continue to report and publicise until. It is forthcoming. A tual numbers of deaths please.

You were the person saying that Qatar is a tolerant country. How does that square with their laws against homosexuality and their treatment of women,?

Don't change the subject. An allegation was made. It needs to be evidenced otherwise it is not acceptable and should be removed or retracted. Personally, living in China and Russia were far less tolerant in my eyes but, hey, the Guardian doesn't hate them so they are invisible. I won't be drawn into anything other than legally challenging an allegation which is not founded with evidence.

I will continue to challenge the individual until they provide the enidence. Or get their post removed.

There is quite a difference between having a law that could result in execution for same sex attraction and a law that means someone can be ‘prosecuted’ for wearing green on a Tuesday.

The two are not comparable and you have attempted to make the law that may result in execution seem ridiculous and frivolous.

Do you admit the law exists?

NK's gushing description of the interview was sickening. Having chosen to be interviewed by Al-Jazeera she could have tweeted something about the situation in Qatar, maybe drawing attention to Stonewall's own briefing about the country. Instead she used infantilising language to describe her pleasure at being interviewed with no challenge, no hard questions asked. Her moral compass has gone missing.

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1475371360541102085

[quote Helleofabore]This thread from Iseult White is spot on.

twitter.com/iseult/status/1475523364408147977?s=21[/quote]
So is it likely that Al Jazeera pursued Stonewall for an interview in this case? In an attempt, ahead of the World Cup, to make Qatar's LGBT rights appear better, by allowing Nancy Kelly to accuse the UK of their own bigotry?

I haven't watched the interview, because I can't bear Kelly, but I'm assuming she doesn't talk about LGB at all?

Ok vvvip, the Sharia law in Qatar allows for homosexuals to be executed, but there are no recent examples of this happenjng. However, homosexuality remains illegal and punishable by a prison sentence of up to 3 years. I guess we have different definitions of a tolerant society.

The point of the CEO for a charity claiming to supooet LGB rights going on a state sponsored TV station from a state where homosexuality remains illegal and not even mentioning it remains the same. A big gay elephant in the room.

The ILGA 2020 report on state sponsored homophobia states "There are also five additional UN Member States where certain sources indicate that the death penalty may be imposed for consensual same-sex conduct, but where there is less legal certainty on the matter. These countries are: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Qatar, Somalia (including Somaliland) and the United Arab Emirates."

Qatar is one of the countries which the report lists under "countries for which there is no full legal certainty that the death penalty (DP) is the established punishment for consensual same-sex sexual acts." Page 38.

Basicaly the potential exists for someone who is homosexual to be executed but it hasn't been put into practice in any recent years which I can find. Pages 67-68 provide the reports full summary on the current legal situation in Qatar.

We should strive for accuracy and it does appear to be incorrect to say Qatar has executed people for same-sex acts in recent years.

It's not a tolerant country and I would be sacred living there if I was homosexual. While the law exists then there is always the potential for one person/couple to be come the legal case study where Qatar actually applies the letter of the law, as it currently stands.

What would suffice as evidence? The number of gay men killed, a picture of a dead man having been hanged? Would it not be feasible to imagine that any murders would be hidden and that such a regime wouldn't publish stats on how many men they murder (there appears to be no such application of the law for lesbians as far as j can tell, happy to be proven wrong).

Could such an image then be argued that actually he was hanged for another reason by disrupters or those wanting to deny such murders happen?

My argument remains that the threat of being killed, as per Sharia law, as is already evident, is sufficient to create a culture of fear and like others on the Twitter thread responding to Kelly's share of the video, I encourage her and other lgbT supporters, activists and organisations to organise a Pride event in Quatar, perhaps around the World Cup when the when the RTS if the world are watching, so we can see how progressive and accepting Quatar's government and society in general are of same-sex (not gender) attracted people are welcomed there and not under threat. Perhaps then political asylum for same-sex attracted people wouldn't be sought for Quatari citizens.

www.refugeelegalaidinformation.org/qatar-lgbti-resources

www.equaldex.com/region/qatar

And in addition to the above, that is not from the BBC if that is not an acceptable source of truth, try this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10076051/Damning-testimonies-reveal-truth-Qatars-expensive-PR-gloss.html

(As a I refuse to share an article written by Owen Jones but you are free to look it up yourself.)

Aside from the approx 6,500 deaths of migrant workers during the construction of the stadiums for the World Cup, the lack of workers rights, the treatment of women and the restrictions on free speech, according to Amnesty, the death penalty was reinstated in April last year after a 20 year gap.

www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/qatar/report-qatar/

After Stonewall's #NoDebate I can see why Al Jazeera was a good choice for this interview. Maybe Kelly could do an interview with BBC Arabic TV next, and it could be translated? In her woman's hour interview she said trans women were literally women, so that could also go down well in Qatar...

@Awkwardy

Did anyone else spot Nancy's "women, more highly educated people are more likely to be supportive" line?

How does that square with all the highly educated, female Terfs you hate Nancy? Or are you just talking about people who 'identify' as highly educated?

Same old, same playbook.

Young
Women
Higher educated

Subtext
Excludes the violent dangerous threat: men, the reason "special men" have to be given access to womens spaces. Right??
We must all politely ignore that "special women" will be in the violent dangerous threat areas, yes in mens' spaces.
And of course the old ignorant women hag/bitches who fail to #bekind, too stupid to understand their place is to be a doormat champion and hand over women's spaces.

@SantaClawsServiette
What's the expression for showing excessive skin in the Islamic faith?

Which participant showed no respect towards the social norms of Arabic countries?

I think this might be a reference to Christine Burns sleeveless top. However, would this be against social norms if the person is not female?