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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Janice Turner calls JK Rowling a goat

74 replies

JustSpeculation · 24/12/2021 22:08

...in the Times.

All rather nice, really.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e112d00a-64e8-11ec-b279-fa13aec304af?shareToken=4922ca26c402707bbf536160a155888b

OP posts:
JollyHostess · 24/12/2021 23:38

That is a fantastic article and so true.

I'd be proud to number myself among the goats.

Thievesoil · 24/12/2021 23:40

Amazing

I wish I was brave enough to put myself as a goat more.

AnyFucker · 24/12/2021 23:42

Janice Turner is just fab. Clear, consistent, intelligent. I would like to be her when I grow up.

Datun · 24/12/2021 23:46

@JustSpeculation

I've just googled the acronym GOAT. Yes, I'd agree.
I'd never heard of it as an acronym either. Very apt.

And yes, a wonderful article. Very warm. Lovely just before Christmas.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/12/2021 23:47

But instead they found themselves alive and free, up among the goats.

Thank you Janice - that's a most excellent Xmas gift Smile

MTCoffeePot · 24/12/2021 23:55

I really enjoyed reading this article. Thanks for the share. I think that JK Rowling and Janice Turner are GOATs and goats. Merry Christmas 🎄Smile.

Benjaminsniddlegrass · 25/12/2021 00:14

Best Christmas present, loved it!! Thank you to all the amazing goats on here that have educated me, advanced my understanding and given me strength and courage. Have a bloody fabulous Christmas! 🐐🐐🐐

NotAgainUh · 25/12/2021 00:22

How fantastic.

Have always liked goats.

Skinnytailedsquirrel · 25/12/2021 00:28

Goats rule :)

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 25/12/2021 00:57

@FionaMacCool

Wow! humdinger of an article....talk about saving best for last. Well done Janice. Happy Christmas to the goats 🐐 🐐 🐐
My thoughts exactly!

Marvellous piece 💜🤍💚

JellySaurus · 25/12/2021 01:09

Women like JK Rowling and Maya give other women the courage to be goats.

Slothtoes · 25/12/2021 01:55

Thank you for the share token JustSpeculation. What a brilliant article. Janice and JK Rowling and all the other women mentioned in the article and all the other women discussed on these boards who've spoken out over the years and been harassed for telling the truth. GOATs.Star

SoniaFouler · 25/12/2021 02:55

Interesting comment:

This newspaper is full of people attempting to be mini goats on this matter: people who comment in support of Janice and JKR whenever an article like this is published. As a New Years resolution, perhaps the management could assess their comments policy. The ability of other readers to be offended by innocuous comments, and the alacrity at which those comments are removed, turns us all in to sheep, even tho use who are trying not to be. Broaden the definition of offensive, keep a log of the same people who keep shutting everyone else down and then shut them down for stifling debate, and allow the readership to decide for themselves what is and isn’t worthy of reading. Protect commenters with hundreds or even thousands of recommends and allow them to be a goat for a day. The readers aren’t fools: they know a good comment when they see one. Let most recommended comments stand, to be free from deletion by the people who simply don’t want to witness opposing opinions. Janice is leading the way if this. Let’s see the editors back her up, show some spine and do the same

The problem is, and continues to be across many news and other sites, is OpenWeb. It has a stranglehold across Internet comments. The story remains the same. Anything not in agreement isn’t permitted. It’s come to a point where when I see that OW is the moderator, I tend not to comment…which I guess just plays into its hands..

ErrolTheDragon · 25/12/2021 08:55

Yes, I was struck by that comment too.

Funnylittlefloozie · 25/12/2021 09:11

That is a brilliant article, thoughtful and so well-written. I am aiming for GOATness one day.

Did one of us write that comment?

countrypunk · 25/12/2021 09:18

Thank you OP!

Happy Christmas to the wonderful goats of Mumsnet!

BookWorm45 · 25/12/2021 09:33

Thank you for sharing the article !

Goats Unite !

anon12345678901 · 25/12/2021 09:38

GOAT is a badge I will wear with pride! Brilliant article! Happy Christmas to all the GOATs out there 🥳

ErrolTheDragon · 25/12/2021 09:44

I'm not sure it's actually possible for everyone to be a GOAT but we can for sure be goats. Grin 🐐

JustSpeculation · 25/12/2021 09:56

Happy Christmas!

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teawamutu · 25/12/2021 10:04

"The merest accident of microgeography had meant that the first man to hear the voice of Om, and who gave Om his view of humans, was a shepherd and not a goatherd. They have quite different ways of looking at the world, and the whole of history might have been different. For sheep are stupid, and have to be driven. But goats are intelligent, and need to be led."

Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

Moneypennysfreedomfund · 25/12/2021 10:20

I wish we had Janice Turner and J.K Rowling down here in NZ…..

FionaMacCool · 25/12/2021 10:21

@SoniaFouler

Interesting comment:

This newspaper is full of people attempting to be mini goats on this matter: people who comment in support of Janice and JKR whenever an article like this is published. As a New Years resolution, perhaps the management could assess their comments policy. The ability of other readers to be offended by innocuous comments, and the alacrity at which those comments are removed, turns us all in to sheep, even tho use who are trying not to be. Broaden the definition of offensive, keep a log of the same people who keep shutting everyone else down and then shut them down for stifling debate, and allow the readership to decide for themselves what is and isn’t worthy of reading. Protect commenters with hundreds or even thousands of recommends and allow them to be a goat for a day. The readers aren’t fools: they know a good comment when they see one. Let most recommended comments stand, to be free from deletion by the people who simply don’t want to witness opposing opinions. Janice is leading the way if this. Let’s see the editors back her up, show some spine and do the same

The problem is, and continues to be across many news and other sites, is OpenWeb. It has a stranglehold across Internet comments. The story remains the same. Anything not in agreement isn’t permitted. It’s come to a point where when I see that OW is the moderator, I tend not to comment…which I guess just plays into its hands..

Yes, I noted that comment Sonia . "Show some spine"... words to live by.
Mrsmorton · 25/12/2021 10:28

Brilliant.