Men still get to be called men

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Prostate UK campaign
twitter.com/ProstateUK/status/1471472960003313673?t=rHVFMszP0LeUO82ZESH5Ng&s=19

The contrast with the current language around women's health is so stark.

Speaks volumes doesn't it

When people asked the organisation why it wasn't "inclusive", they sensibly said that they needed the message to be easily understood, and that they had separate campaigns targeting transwomen and non-binaries.

Imagine that, a healthcare organisation prioritising saving lives instead of worrying about not upsetting anyone.

@DdraigGoch

When people asked the organisation why it wasn't "inclusive", they sensibly said that they needed the message to be easily understood, and that they had separate campaigns targeting transwomen and non-binaries.

Imagine that, a healthcare organisation prioritising saving lives instead of worrying about not upsetting anyone.

Women aren't allowed to have a separate campaign for transmen. That would leave the campaign for actual women to be based on their biology. Alongside one for women who identify as men, using tweaked language.

That's not allowed.

Female biology must be separated from the word woman, across the board. That's why the word is never mentioned in relation to their biological health.

I'd love to see women's health campaigns following the advice of ProstrateUK, but they wouldn't be allowed.

(Although it would be interesting to see the crackpot reasons).

The only reason for excluding the word " woman" is because when the word woman is used in reference to female biology, then males who identify as women feel excluded. It has absolutely nothing to do with including transmen and non binary people born female.

@334bu

The only reason for excluding the word " woman" is because when the word woman is used in reference to female biology, then males who identify as women feel excluded. It has absolutely nothing to do with including transmen and non binary people born female.

Exactly

Well of course they do - this whole omnitastrophe is about men getting everything they want at all costs.

When people asked the organisation why it wasn't "inclusive", they sensibly said that they needed the message to be easily understood, and that they had separate campaigns targeting transwomen and non-binaries.

Well bugger me if that isn't how the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act are supposed to work.

When people asked the organisation why it wasn't "inclusive", they sensibly said that they needed the message to be easily understood, and that they had separate campaigns targeting transwomen and non-binaries.

And isn’t that what we have been saying and asking for?

Sounds great. Don't get jealous and angry about it. It's a step in the right direction.

Hopefully now more women's charities and health services will be able to adopt this stance too.

Hahahahaahaha! Good one @skipperjonce

Sounds great. Don't get jealous and angry about it. It's a step in the right direction.

It's not a step towards anywhere, because men never stopped being allowed to be called men. The TRA movement and the institutions catured by it seem to see no cognitive dissonance in thinking it's fine for men to be called men, but hateful for women to be called women.

“ Women aren't allowed to have a separate campaign for transmen.”

I’m not sure this is it. From what I’ve seen TW feel invalidated if campaigns highlight women’s biology in a way that they’re not included in.
This is a male campaign that benefits male people.

I'm interested in their campaign for non binaries.

Do we know what the wording is on that?

How do they ensure that the messaging is actually aimed at the male non-binaries and not the female ones, and if they are non-bonary, how do they know?

@BingoLingFucker

“ Women aren't allowed to have a separate campaign for transmen.”

I’m not sure this is it. From what I’ve seen TW feel invalidated if campaigns highlight women’s biology in a way that they’re not included in.
This is a male campaign that benefits male people.

That's right. But that's why it's not about including transmen in women's campaigns, even as a separate, but simultaneous campaign.

Its all about stopping the word woman from being associated with female biology. In order that men can claim the word woman for themselves.

The pretence that women's campaigns exclude transmen is just that. Otherwise women's health campaigns could do what this prostrate charity is doing.

Transwomen want to distance themselves from the word men. All hell would probably break loose if the guidelines were updated to say men and transwomen.

It suits them just fine to have one wording for men, another for tw and the third just talking about female body parts.

Someone should do a FOI to stonewall and check what the guidance to make cancer charities has been. I bet it's different from the law written up for women.

@skipperjonce

Sounds great. Don't get jealous and angry about it. It's a step in the right direction.

Hopefully now more women's charities and health services will be able to adopt this stance too.

Its very hard to grasp tone etc from a post on a forum

But this is a joke right?

Its not inclusive

Once men stop being referred to as men then I’ll believe it is

Its completely indefensible

The erasure of the word " woman" when referring to female biology is vital in the campaign to make people think that transwomen are actually women . Monroe Bergdoff was quite honest about this need to distance the word " women" from female biology , when Monroe told the " Women's March," that they couldn't discuss the female reproductive system without being transphobic.

So campaigns for cancers that affect men wish to save those men's lives. Campaigns for cancers that affect women don't seem to be prioritising saving women's lives. They are still prioritising men (wishes).

You only have to look at the male transitioners push back bitterly against being told they are penis havers to understand.

They hate being dehumanised and reminded of their penises. And I am sure they would say the same about their prostate.

Women though… told to stfu and accept dehumanisation for the sake of all who will be offended - transitioned males, transitioned females and people who want to be accepted as non-binary. Because #bekind and be the world’s mothers.

The double standards are not new. It is the same old, same old.

The fact the male charities haven’t budged from their language is apparent every year as the erasure of word women is denied by all.

What has happened to Bergdof?

I haven't heard from her for a while, and last time I mentioned her to a tra, they said munroe had been doing a lot of self reflection and had revised her previous views on some things - does that include the denial of female biology within feminism? Or is it just her previous homophobic and racist remarks?

So it is possible to clearly target vulnerable groups (male cancers and men's mental health) without fudging language and confusing/offending anyone. Almost as though some grown ups are in charge.

Shedmistress, I think a man would soon notice if he was “non bonary”!
Thanks for giving me a laugh with your typo - much needed in these grim times.

What the hell do you want them to be called then?